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Bully- Freak Out - Posting this issue for a friend!

Here is the email she sent to a group of friends - I've never heard of anything like it but I offered to post here to see if someone might know something.........

Hi everyone,
My hopes are that you can give me some ideas or advice on a situation I just had with my English Bulldog. Some of you may know that I have two bulldogs, Adminel 6 and Moses 2. I'm so upset I'm crying as I'm typing this. We have been very unusually lucky as far as bulldogs go with Moses. He has NOT had ANY of the typical bulldog issues and has been the perfect healthy bulldog. We have a favorite park we go to several times a week and the behavior he just displayed scared the hell out of me to say the least. He became completely wild to the point that he was breathing so hard trying to grab Adminel's leash that he was foaming at the mouth, he would run full force at me all sixty five pounds and jump so hard and high on me trying to knock me over, he did this several times as he was trying to grab the leash out of my hand. I yelled his name and all the commands he always listened to he didn't hear. To describe the look in his eyes was just not a normal look. He continued to do this for ten minutes, there was nothing I could do that would calm him down, even his favorite treat. This is my little affectionate baby boy that I was now completely petrified from. The look in his eye was not one that I recognized at all. Let me finish by saying that 50% of the time when we do go to the park we throw a tennis ball and his is completely obsessed with them. It took me a good ten minutes to walk them back to the car and he was unusually wild to the point that I wasn't sure if he was going to try to attack me. I felt like he lost his mind. We finally got back in the car and when I got home ten minutes later he was the old Moses I knew.

Moses and Adminel are buddies, lay with each other, love each other but now I'm terrified to leave the two alone. I have read before that Bulldogs have been known for no reason at all to lose their minds. Please calm me down here with some experiences or ideas you might have. I was thinking of bringing him to Butchko tomorrow, but I wanted to see if anyone has experienced anything like this before I do.

When they get fixated on something, it can sometimes be hard to

To me, it sounds like Moses became fixated on the leash and just got overly excited about it. I know how crazy they can seem when they're like that (my Bowzer used to get that way with basketballs, and Rufus can get that way too), but I really don't think her bulldog was "out of his mind".
The yelling and screaming probably just added to his excitement too. Really, since Moses has been such a healthy bulldog, I don't think that he has anything like a tumor or rage syndrome; to me, he sounds like he was just an overly excited, young, energetic bulldog.
I agree with the comments on obedience training; it would be a good bonding experience for your friend, and also help her to understand her alpha role with her big, strong boy.

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tmichaud's picture

my thoughts...

Because I wasn't there I can't speak 100% about your bullies actions or his intentions, but I can tell you that Sanford LOVES to do this.

He waits until we're returning from a walk and we reach the end of the driveway and as soon as I unclip his leash it's "GAME ON". He immediately gets into his "downward dog" position and wants me to play chase, and tug and pull with him and the leash which I always do, it's our little way of ending our walks.

He's done this since he was a baby because when we would come back from walks in the city (NY) I would let him drag his leash behind him in the hallway of the apartment building and then I'd pretend to chase him which was just a fun game for him and he loved it. So we'd play pull and tug and I think that's where he got it from.

And YES, Bullies CAN jump which is why I never pull the leash up above my waist to get it away from him because I don't want him jumping up on me or hurting himself.

He's almost 4 yrs old now so he's a little harder to handle than he was when he was a baby but when he gets too crazed I grab hold of his collar and tell him very sternly "KNOCK IT OFF" or "THAT'S ENOUGH" and he manages to get himself back under control.

I guess because he's done it before I'm not concerned about it but he's also never exhibited any behaviour towards me that I couldn't control so I'm not the least bit afraid of him.

I probaly didn't supply you with anything substantive on this post except to tell you that Sanford does this too and I know he doesn't have any medical issues or medication issues that are the cause.

Good luck.

omegabulldogs's picture

My feeling would be since this is a first offense

and his behavior returned to normal that this was a behavioral thing associated with the "play" circumstances and not a physical thing like illness. I would be careful for a while in allowing him to get over excited with his ball. I had a bitch--sweetest thing alive--unless you tried to remove her ball after she had been playing with it. She would turn into Cujo. We finally did a lot of training before she was allowed to have a ball

Miriam Olesen

omegabulldogs's picture

THIS ANSWER IS RIGHT ON--and being a very long time Butchko clie

a visit to him regarding this epeisode will be a total waste of time. Is Moses neutered? If not, thi might be the time to consider it. I also recommend an obedience class--as much to teach him you are the pack leader as to see what his behavior is like in a group of strange dogs.

Miriam Olesen

judy wilson's picture

bully freak out....

first of all the rage sydrome your talking about, it happens in dobermans and is a form of eplipsy, as others have said, you have a big dominate bully, some times wilson will get my face and start kicking his feet barking, as soon as i stop laughing he stops.
i can hardly believe some times how far he can jump, and if this dog did not "attack the owner" but was jumping after the leash????? he was just being stupid in the park, dont euth him ok.

It does sound like rage syndrome to me

and I would get him to the vet and also keep him apart from the other dog. If that is what it is he is not aware of what he's doing and has no control of it.

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ickytazz's picture

rage syndrome, he needs a vet eval

and to be monitored, this is not normal behavior i would worry about a brain tumor or other neurological problems

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Could it have been a seizure of some sort?

I know that sounds weird. My newfie was an epileptic, and whenever he would have a seizure, after he came out of it, he reacted completely different, confused, agitated, and would run up the stairs, where normally, he'd never go upstairs. He never had aggressive tendencies though. But he was not his 'normal' self.

I completely have no idea what could be going on with your friend's pooch though. I'm sorry. Sounds like his brain 'short circuited' for lack of a better term...

Wish I knew Deb.... so sorry.... I wish her the best of luck, and some answers....


all my thoughts run to the "physical" possibilities...Ineke has also suggested looking at the "behavioral" possibilities, and that too has great merit.

My first reaction is to question whether he is on any medication

Strange and aggressive behavior is frequently seen with steroid use.

If that is a 'dead end' then I would certainly look into some calming preparations...there are some available in the holistic venue that might be considered rather than using ACE or similar but again I'd check with the vet because if the dog is on any medications some herbal preparations do interfere with absorption, etc....know that from my own cancer treatment.

Lastly I'd also evaluate his 'sugar level' as to when this dog is fed, and considering changing his feeding to smaller and more frequent feedings to see if that alters (levels out) his temperament. A blood panel would also show any dramatic abnormal readings in major functions.

InekeV's picture

Moses - 2 years old

and being a belated teenager, entering puberty.

This is what I think happened. Grabbing the leash is fun, is real fun, especially for a young Bulldog. It appeals to what a Bulldog is made for, hanging on to a Bull!
For some reason it is the first time he does it, or the first time he chooses to find out what happens if he doesn't let go. And hooraye! Mum goes wild! She is scared! That is fun! Let's try what happens if I growl, and pull the leash some more!

And so it runs out of hand! Because he is so into it, he starts panting and foaming at the mouth (due to the power it costs to hang on and to growl and don't forget the exitement!).

NO, Moses didn't turn wild, Moses tried what all young dogs do, he tries to be the leader.

I would advice your friend to enter dogtrainingschool to work out who is really in charge. Find a school that uses dogfriendly methods.
She shouldn't change the way she keeps Moses and Ariel together, because I think that Ariel has done a nice job, keeping the youngster in check up till now. If she feels unsure about taking them both to the dogpark, let her take them one at the time. It is better for Moses too, to learn to stand on his own feet and not relying on Ariel.

Good luck, it will improve!

Ineke and Zorro (who is into puberty aswell!)

Jacinda and the bullies's picture

I would say a Vet visit is in order

I know a sudden change in behavior can be related to a brain tumor. I hope this is just an isolated incident and the dog is fine.

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