What do you mean, "Bulldogs aren't meant to be pretty."? They're the prettiest breed in the world. Hruuumph.

Julie, our dogs don't have a lot of choices. We chose that they poo and pee outside, we chose when they go for walks and what they eat, we choose what toys they can play with, when they have to take a bath. I've heard this free-choice for dogs argument before and it doesn't hold water.

We choose for our kids, too - their hair styles, their clothes, etc.

It really doesn't bother most dogs and you don't need to do this for very long, usually just for a couple of weeks. I know that there are some people out there who think that 'natural' is better, in both humans and dogs, but truely, if it doesn't bother the dog and it looks better, what's the harm? If an individual doesn't want to glue the dog's ears, fine. If they do, fine.

Oh, and jumping on the "you want to put false eyelashes on your dog..." is not a fair discussion tactic. Just my opinion.

All the discussion about glueing ears got me thinking. The majority of the arguements in favor of glueing centered around maintaining the standard. It occurs to me that if no one glued ears and only bred dogs that naturally had the rose ears, the vast majority of Bulldogs would develop the "correct" ears on their own without glueing.

Glueing ears doesn't really maintain the standard, save for that one dog. Any subsequent offspring will be no more likely to have rose ears than if bred from a dog with unglued rose ears.

The theory is then, and I repeat THEORY, if everyone only bred Bullies with correct ears glueing would eventually become virtually unnecessary, right?

I am not a breeder so if I have made an error some where please let me know.

James

I will always strive to be the person that my Bulldog thinks I am.

http://www.bulldogdomain.com

When Arthur came home, he had drop ears and I was concerned that they wouldn't rose perfectly like his mom's. Checked out glueing, gave up on it as nothing
more than stupid vanity. Wouldn't you know it, his ears rose perfectly at will, especially when trotting!
Forget the glue. Grab that gorgeous face, accept that slurpy kiss with a smile, then go to DQ for a caramel sundae...each....immediately.

I have read that there are or have been in bulldog circles in England some discussions to include into the standard some of the health issues that have plagued bulldogs like breathing, for example. To specify good breathers in the standard. The English have been dealing with a movement in Europe that is pushing to eliminate some breeds seen as artificial and/or unhealthy. And the bulldog is one that is threatened. So they have been thinking of addressing thier health issues by changing the standard to include them. So the focus won't only be on appearances, but will include good health traits. To make sure the standard will not cause bad health. It sounds good. What do you think?


Granted, I have either read this on the internet or in a magazine.

Keeping the ears open and dry I can see as being of benefit to the dog. This is the simple question I was asking which until now nobody has answered, thankyou.

Marilyn has 17 champions in her five generation pedigree. She's a healthy girl as were her parents. I agree someone with an unhealthy dog should not be breeding. However if I choose to breed with Marilyn her mate will be chosen from a health point of view and carful scrutiny of the pedigree for strong bloodlines. I would home the pups with people who didn't want to alter or show the pups but ones who wanted a great pet.
Breeding out of faults I'll admit has been successful and great dogs have been produced, however, breeding to standard has become an enemy too of B/dogs here in Britain and the health of our dogs ultimately has suffered. Far too much importance has been put on looks and not enough on health.
So much so that there has been talk of banning breeding Bulldogs altogether by the EU. Not only Bulldogs there were other breeds mentioned too but I can't remember them off the top of my head. (lets face it if the E.U. can ban us from importing bananas which aren't straight enough they are capable of banning anything! )

Thanks again for getting to the point and answering my question.
Julie.

You enjoy owning your bulldog because of the breed standard and people who show and care enough to use the standard as a guide in breeding.

Jay

But, I'm not a breeder either....but I think there other other things that are way more important when breeding a bulldog besides the fact that "he's got a nice set of ears", especially sicne it seems like the ears can be "helped" so much too.

But what you are saying does make sense.

I personally like the rose look better...I used to like the button eared look, cuz it was puppy-ish...but i also used to dislike brindles...Now brindle is at the top of my list!

Sheesh a girl does chnage her mind a lot!

Emily, the lady who glues Moop's ears and they still would rather button at times! boohoo!

nm

No way!!, you might glue his ears!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol

Only 2 more days until we hit the ring!!!!!!



p.s. I know I'm a smart a**

Yes he does, Send him to me!!!!! =)

I knew that!!!!

Your right!, no one is being cruel to their dogs. Gluing a dogs ears does NOT hurt them!. My dogs and I sleep very well at night and when people acuse others who do glue their dogs ears as being cruel then that's where I take offense. Have any of you ever seen this done or have been around a dog that has had his ears glued?. If you think glued ears is cruel then what are your thoughts on a bitch having to have a c-section to deliver the babies?, is that cruel?.
Does he look abused to you?

I don't want to be confused!

Julia & Grover

"Read what I've written and if you can answer any question that I've asked previously in a reasonably sensible manner, not only will I be grateful but astounded!"

This statement says it all. You obviously wont agree with anything we have to say, so why would we even try to answer your question. And since you seem to think you have all the answers, why ask.

This is what bulldogs are breed to the STANDARD. If you are not breeding to the standard then you or anyone should not be breeding.

Showing is a choice but Breeding to the standard should not be a choice.


Some dogs need glue some dont, i would rathe have a dog with rosed ears, i like what it looks like. It also helps to keep the ears dry and open. JMO

Vicky Bosco & Bella

Since you obviously dont want to "learn" then I give up. thanks and have a nice day.

You're spoiling me now!
Julie.

...he could sniff Jiff.. we'll spread it all over you and let him "sniff & lick!!" ..rather than "scratch & sniff!!"

This is a great way to understand other peoples views and if possibe to change them. I have to say nobodys changed mine and I fear I've changed nobody elses!
but who knows!
Good talking to you
Julie.

I just think everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion. We're all friends here. That's all.

I'm ignoring this thread now. I shouldn't have stuck my nose in in the first place!!!!

Julia

Julia, One day in the not too distant future you will see changes happen, it took a long while for me, I just accepted everything as the norm.
I don't mean to offend anyone but I feel like screaming at people who just accept rank and file and to my mind cruelty as a way of life. (I know that nobody here is guilty of deliberate cruelty.) Please when you go to sleep tonight just run through your mind WHY you do this to your animals and if winning a competition is that important.
Julie.

I think you just have to agree to disagree. Or you'll all be running in circles!! Over here, it's just the "norm" to glue ears and the majority of people on this board see nothing wrong with it.

Julia

Go ahead!
What benefit is a strengthened cartilage in the ear?
(apart from making them better for us to look at?)
Julie.

Shelly, you already know the answer to that! You are changing the subject.
I could change it again and say why break your dogs arm for breed standards and then you'd say breaking an arm was nothing like gluing an ear!
We can skirt around why we do these things but ulimately, if it doesn't further the health or well being of a dog you shouldn't do it. period!
Julie.

What would Henry sniff if I did that!!

Sorry I might be being a rather obtuse here but what does shaving my legs have to do with gluing a dogs ears?
I suppose if shaved armpits were part of the breed standard you'd do that too!
Get a grip on reality and leave your poor b****y dogs alone!
The next question will be "do you pluck your eyebrows?, do you wear tights, so you comb your hair?
WE AREN'T TALKING ABOUT ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I Have my OWN mind I choose what I want to do to myself! The dogs in our care are forced into our way of living.
BULLDOGS ARE PERFECT LEAVE THEM ALONE!!!!!!!!!!!!If you want to shave, pluck, cut, stick, colour, bleach, wax, and beautify YOURSELF......FINE!!!! I have no problem with that.
This is getting boring. Read what I've written and if you can answer any question that I've asked previously in a reasonably sensible manner, not only will I be grateful but astounded!
Julie.

nm

If your offspring needed their leg, arm etc...broken to repair an abnormality to make it normal, you would not do this for them?

All I have to say is if it hurt my dogs in any way I would NEVER do it. I don't know what you THINK it does to the puppy but in in NO WAY hurts the puppy. It is all cosmetic not plastic surgery!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

There is nothing wrong with gluing ears to help build the cartliage. The cartliage is there, its not like you are altering the dog in anyway, you are just helping build it up.
And how do I know it doesnt hurt, because I use false eyelash adhesive, and i know it doesnt hurt a human eyelid. I would never use any type of cement glue.

...my point exactly!!

I agree that I put make-up on occasionally and I have nothing against YOU doing this either! But as for the rest you are wrong (I'll resist saying AGAIN)
BUT if I choose to do that to MYSELF to enter a beauty pagent that is MY right. I DON'T have the right to stick, bleach, and change the growth and developement of any of my OFFSPRING nor ANY person OR living thing UNDER my control. It is barbaric and I hope that you will soon post the results of your "ear sticking"
I'm sure you won't mind this experiment because as you said in capital letters, IT DOESN'T HURT"
Julie.

It's not that the dogs HAS TO HAVE ROSED EARS it's what the standard calls for, sort of like you wearing makeup, fake nails, dying your hair etc etc., it isn't a must but you still do it!.

Why would any dog NEED his ears glued?
Apart from the "perfect Rose ears" How does this benefit the dog?
People wanting a "Barbie" dog should choose another breed. (Preferably one that doesn't need a nip and tuck!) Bulldogs aren't meant to be pretty (although we all know our own are!)
This is a prime example as to why I'm against "Breed standards" and "showing"
Both should be the dogs natural state not the state the owners mold them to. These are living breathing feeling creatures not Bonsai trees!
Try glueing your own ears into a different position and let me know if it hurts then!
Julie.

If a bulldog should need his ears glued it DOES NOT HURT THE DOG!!!. I have Royce's ears glued now and he doesn't even notice. In a week or so the new hair under the glue will grow and will eventually the ears will become unattached. If you have more than one puppy then YES they can pull the ear and Yes it would probably hurt!.
Nicely rosed ears on a bulldog can make or break a nice head and if your going to show a dog then it's vital he have nicely rosed ears.

But if I did it would be because I wanted to put them on myself and if they hurt or not, it would be my choice. Our dogs don't have a choice.
Julie.

I just got my first bulldog puppy ever 2 weeks ago. My friend bought one from the same litter, the breeder said the week they were leaving her she was going to glue their ears. My friends puppy had his done, but my Ruby had to have cherry eye surgery 2 days before I was supposed to pick her up, so hers weren't done at the same time. The breeder decided that her ears were almost perfect anyway ( of course they are perfect ), and didn't do it. I just talked to my friend yesterday, and she said that when the glue came off of her puppies ear (only one thankfully) all the hair had come off with it, now she is just hoping it will grow back. I am so glad that Ruby didn't have to have her ears glued.

ps I have no idea what kind of glue was used.

I'm not joining this discussion... I didn't glue Grover's ears. But I was a theatre major who took a bunch of makeup courses and wore many a false eyelash. I have wicked sensitive skin and eyes and never once had a reaction to the glue. It was very gentle... you were able to pull off the lash very easily and painlessly.

Just thought I'd share my personal experience with that kind of glue.

Julia

That's better than cement I suppose although you are sure to have "cement" users dissagree with you!
Julie.

Shelly characteristic means something their born with right?
If you need to glue or fix it,it's not natural.
You say it doesn't hurt, how do you know? Just because this practice hasn't been outlawed yet doesn't mean it's ok.
Please think seriously about this before you glue again. I'm not here to win an argument but to save a few pups from suffering.
Forget breed standards,follow your heart.
Bulldogs to my mind don't need touch-ups or tittilating because they are all beautiful, different and unique.
Julie.

The one reason I use only DUO eyelash adhesive. It is mild and peels right off when old, leaving no irritation to the ear. Dont use something that has the word "cemet" in it, because it is exaclty that.

Great news Nancy!
Unfortunately not everyones like you:(
My girl has a "cauliflower ear" after she was bitten by one of her littermates before I got her. She still looks great!
Julie.

Does not harm the dog. And as for strictly doing it for competion, I would do it rather I was showing or not. Its the standard and I think the rose ears is another of the wonderful charastics of the Bulldog head.

I would never glue the ears ever again. My one bullie puppies ears were so irritated and red I had to have the glue shaved off because he was so uncomfortable. I think leave the ears alone and they will be what they will be. My one other bullie has jacka-- ears and everyone loves him anyways. That is just my opinion

Yes I do think it hurts them.
Have you ever had something stuck onto your skin? If you get something drying (like glue) on your skin it is irritating and as it dries it makes you itch.
Why on earth would you WANT to glue a dogs ears? Be honest if it weren't for competitions would you bother?

Do you think cropping ears and then putting wire inside to hold them up doesn't hurt?
or docking a tail that was put there to function not only to aid defacation and empty anal glands (not to mention a guide to other dogs as to the gesture and intention of the dog) doesn't harm?

It is now illegal here to do that to dogs (however breeders and showers just ignore this and get away with it.....for now!)
Julie.

nor do I see anything wrong with choping tails, ears. ect."I'm talking other breeds not bulldogs"

Do you really think that Glueing ears hurts them?

Bad health is not desirable! B/S doesn't openly promote this but it keeps it going and is threatening Bulldogs in this country (Britain).
I don't ENJOY THAT!!
(However if the standard of Bulldog here in its country of origin does carry on breeding pups in bad health I will myself sigh a petition to ban the breed altogether which would be a tragedy, but, I love them too much to see them suffer).
Julie.

I'll also be very quick to point out the difference. Although to be honest I don't think it will be necessary.
JuliE.