Fact: You are entitled to your opinion, so is Sue. Just because you aren't being agreed with does not make us a "mean bunch". It has nothing to do with "longevity of being on this board" - This is a public forum. Don't expect to be agreed with. I certainly don't expect it.

As such, I, too am entitled to my opinion:
You stated before that you would "breed your dog again if you wanted to" - well, YOU didn't "breed" your dog the first time, you allowed her to get pregnant from the neighborhood "Lothario". I don't see any excuse for this. I hope, for the sake of the lives that were brought into the world because of this that everything does work out and has a happy ending. A lot of the time, it isn't so.

And no one said you didn't love your dog, but I hope you realize that being irresponsible with breeding is perpetuating problems with the surplus of unwanted dogs, as others here have stated.

Should ALL be spayed/neutered BEFORE they go to their new homes. This would be the responsible thing to do since a "mistake" took place.

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...that pure-bred dogs are without genetic defects.
I said that a responsible breeder will breed a dog which is sound. To believe that mixed breed dogs are
genetically superior is absolutely ludicrous.
Most responsible breeders work their entire life breeding problems out of a line.
Let's face it, mixed breed dogs and cats exist because of very irresponsible owners. I don't believe any owners get together and actually plan for their mixes to breed. If they do...stupid is as stupid does.
If you want mixed, adopt away, just be sure each is altered. Anything else is pure carelessness.
By the way, many pure-breds are altered because they do not fit the criteria for breeding. (Responsible)

Peace
Gregg

It is irresponsible to tie a bitch in heat out in the yard and not expect all loose male dogs in the area not to get her. Also there is only one Bulldog that is recognized by AKC , the canadian equivalent CKC and that is the breed that is primarily discussed on this board.

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looks like another opportunity for the board "in crowd" to "gang bang" someone who disagreed or did not meet the standards of the board "in-crowd. Is there not another way to educate without being nasty........

n/m

your name isn't Gregg.

For the record I currently have two purebred Bullies. In the past, I have had several mixed breeds from animal shelters who made wonderful pets too.

problems...then mixing breeds would carry the gene pool of all the problems of all the breeds it is mixed with...are your saying mixing breeds eliminates those problems? your statement comes from old wives tales...please ..If "you" truly understood genetics ..you would cringe to make the statement you just made...ce

There are plenty there needing homes before they are put to sleep. No excuse bringing more into the world.

They have the shots after a "mating", or if you didn't know, as soon as you did, to have spayed her then, rather than carry forth with a large mixed litter.

This could have been prevented. Others have said it well. Why wasn't she spayed when she was six months old?

you are wrong...purebreeds have far more genectic problems than mixed breeds. If you actually understood genetics you wouldn't make a sweeping comment like that. Mixed breeds are the healthiest of all dogs. You might want to look into this further and see how mixing the genes in a gene pool actually reduces some of the many problems associated with particular breeds.

once the mating has begun. I was stunned when my first Lhasa mated. The male ends up facing completely away from the female, in what is called "tying". Not the doggie position I expected, tho that is how it starts. A vet tech told me that the male can suffer serious damage if someone tries to separate him from the female once they have tied. Don't know if she was b s ing me or not, but the mating process between dogs is nothing like what most people think it is.

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I have seen and experienced that mixed breeds are often a better dog than a purebreed. Instead of berating someone about mixed breeds, maybe you all should tackle the irresponsible breeders who keep dogs in crates their entire lives, feed them the crumbs out of the bag of dog food, and breed a bitch nearly every season. Perhaps some of you should devote more of your time to a crusade against someone who has an eye for the dollar instead of spending your time on the internet giving someone a hard time.

Did I intend my dog to get pregnant? No. Do I deserve to have someone on here lecturing me like I am five years old? No. Neither does anyone have a right to tell me how much I love my animals, especially when same person has never met me. In my original post, I did state that I intended to have my dog spayed, which I will do as soon as possible...but it is not the decision of any one of you on here. Sue made some very snotty remarks, and I did not appreciate them. She could have voiced her opinion and made the same point without coming across like she did. Neither did I realize that I was not allowed to comment on what I thought were her errors, as she does mine. Perhaps it's because I was new to the board?? Do you have to make your way up the pecking order to state your mind??But, since she wants to try to drudge up character flaws, let me give you the run down on my thoughts about her. It seems she is self-righteous, has a "no one loves their dog more than she does" attitude, has never made a mistake in her life, and she must be a stay at home mom to be able to watch her dog every moment of its life.

My dog was not left outside unattended except while in the fence. Point of fact, I came home during the "fence incident", noticed the dogs already finished, but were still tied together; at that point, the deed had been done. She broke the handles off of two of the leashes while I was walking her. Later I tied her to the tree using a combination of a tie out cable and the stronger leash (to make it a tad bit longer because I already felt guilty about chaining her up) while my brother was outside with her. When I drove off, she wanted to go, so tried to run after the car and that's when the clasp broke on the third leash, while he stood by unbelieving what he saw. I know that she bred three different males, because the first I saw, and the other two have very definitive markings which showed up on several pups. The pups, by the way, are being placed in stable homes, mainly of my neices and nephews. I would not give a pup to someone I thought wouldn't take proper care of it, and there again lies the insinuation that I am an uncaring person.

Irregardless, I am sorry I posted a simple question about color. I reviewed the forum before posting and mistakenly thought that you all were a nice bunch. You're right Sue, the subject is now closed. I'm sure you all will be relieved to know that I, an alleged irresponsible, unloving, and uncaring person, will no longer visit your forum.

"...many breeds lay claim to the word bulldog"

People can call their dogs anything they want, i suppose, but calling a dog a bulldog does not make it one. Ours are called "bulldog". There is also a breed called "American Bulldog". Yours is not a breed at all, but a mixed-breed who has now produced more mixed-breed pups.

Please take our comments NOT as an attack on you, but a reflection of our concern for bulldogs and dogs in general. We are a friendly bunch, but we are very protective of our bulldogs.

I agree with other posters. Those of us who have female dogs have managed to keep our dogs inside through the entire cycle, or we have had our dogs spayed. It is the responsible thing to do unless you have a purebred dog and you plan to better your breed through you careful choice of parents.

Please understand that we are very protective our dogs and try to encourage others to breed responsibly or not at all. Thank you.

The message may sound mean to you but what happened with you bull mix was irresponsible and negligent...there are enough dogs who are in shelters and being put down daily that people like you make responsible breeders and died-in-the-wool animal lovers livid...you keep a bitch in heat inside in a crate or room with tile or in diapers and you go out with her on a leash (or 2 or 3) if that is what it takes to keep her inside her fence or put a stronger collar on her so you don't have any accidents...who knows the temperaments of the other males (*aghhhhh...plural) who "got" her...so who knows what these pups will be like in their new homes which I truly hope are forever homes that are responsible and spay or neuter when their dogs are 6 months or under!

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your right and 3 times

Sorry - the lawyer in me doesn't stop at 6pm....If Little Meanness' dog breeds beyond her control when she is not home to watch her, since as she stated she can't be home all of the time.....how exactly does she KNOW HOW the dog bred (through the fence)? Just doesn't add up.

Even though mixed breed dogs are cute, and some grow to be great companions, there are far too many of them. If an owner wants to prevent unwanted breedings,
he/she will. No matter what.
There is no question as to your love and devotion to your pets, and the puppies I'm sure are as sweet as honeydrops. Mixed breed dogs (and cats) have very poor genetics, and when allowed to breed, the lines subsequently produced are plagued with health and tempermental issues. Even responsible breed specific
breeders will not breed every dog from a litter. Emphasis is kept on breeding genetically sound representations of that breed.
It is a horrifying thought that a mixed dog would mate a very valuable pure-bred bitch, and she dies due to complications.

Respectfully,
Gregg

I have tried to stay out of this one but:

In reference to Sue B - she is a much respected, loving and committed member to the world of Bulldogs. She doesn't know me but I know of her through the club we both belong to and her involvement.

Meanness, you are right, it's your dog and I guess you do have a right to do what you want but your lack of responsibility appalls me. Is this the first time she was in heat? If so, you allowed a baby to breed? If it isn't her first heat, you had plenty of time to get her spayed so you could protect your carpets.

Your level of responsibility and committment to your dog is about zero. I can only imagine your level of concern for the future owners of the pups will be close to the same. Which means they too will produce more unplanned irresponsible breedings, leading to even more and so on and so on.

I volunteer at an animal shelter. I get the pleasure of seeing the results. Believe me, we don't need any more mixed breeds puppies and dogs. I would venture a guess that some of your puppies will not remain in their new homes for their entire lives but will be rehomed more then once and/or will end up in shelters.
I am sickened by the numbers of euthanized dogs that come from "I have the right to do want I want" owners.

Instead of being concerned about your dog getting pregnant, you seem more concerned about the coloring of the pups and your carpeting. Spaying would have taken care of all that "stress".

Lynn K

how did that happen? Weird! Although, sometimes I wonder who I actually am...lol

I'm just wondering if there were no intenions of puppies in the first place (you claim to be keeping her restrained) why when you saw her backed up to the fence you didn't get out there with the hose (or something) to try to break it up?

Really getting her spayed, would greatly reduce the risk of future health issues.

You are the owner/responsible person for your animals. We all know that mix breeding only harms the breeds in the long run. You need to remember you have a dog not a jck rabbit. Take some control

Your bitch was breed with at least 3 different dogs. You had her in a fence and or tied to a nylon leash unsupervised.

As you said she is not a purebred bulldog she is a mix, so now she has given birth to more mixbreed dogs. I think the pound is full enough with mixbreeds and everything should have been done to prevent any more from being born.

We all have 50 pound bitches and we don't let them outside during their heat cycle. Pregnancy is so hard on Bulldogs we don't want them to have litters that are not planned out for their safety as well as health.


I do hope you spay your girl and also that each of the puppies must be fixed so we don't have 144 mixbreed dogs.


Vicky, Bosco, Bella & the Babies

You said....

***I have a mixed breed brindle bull, and she gave birth to 13 pups last night. When she went into heat my fence, and later leashes, were unable to keep her from mating with nearly every male dog in the neighborhood...three that I am sure of.***

After reading a statement like that I have every right to tell you that you were irresponsible with your bitch. Where were YOU when the dog got her through the fence? Where were YOU when the leash broke? Where were YOU when she was bred 3 times with Tom, Dick & Harry?

Unwanted breedings can and do happen but your statement says YOU LET IT HAPPEN 3 times.

The size of the dog shouldn't make any difference at all. My bulldog bitch is 62#, bigger than yours. She's confined to my kitchen or in her crate when she's in season. I mop the floor a lot. I go out each & every time with her. That's the responsible thing to do.

I've been a regular on this forum since day 1 and most will tell you that I've given them some very sound advice on lots of different issues. My advice to you is to get your bitch spayed as soon as possible. It's healthier for her.

I'm glad you've found homes for your pups. Hopefully they'll be forever homes.

Sue Beaupre

Please understand that many people on this board are quite serious about bulldogs and the betterment of the breed as a whole - Since our dogs are born c-section, breeding is a serious issue that is not to be taken lightly. Please don't take offense. We are here to educate each other, and you did state how your dog got pregnant, which would cause red flags to fly with people that have a lot of experience with the breed because of the complications associated with breeding.

You stated you have a different breed than ours - so, understand the viewpoint a lot of people here take, as this is a bulldog message board.

Best of luck to you and your pups! They sound very cute!

Jodie and Elsa

Did I figure that wrong.Hope mom is doing well and the puppies wind up in a loving family

Oh my it was - and such a surprise it was to me. Actually, I wouldn't have thought it possible if I hadn't seen it with my own two eyes!

I have five fawn (hoping they'll turn brindle), two rottie colored ones, two solid white, two white with black spots, a black with white markings (looks much like a dairy cow in the face), and a goldish colored pup. The mom is a beautiful brindle with a black mask and white legs. They're a mixed up bunch, but cute as can be. :D

My digital camera broke a week or so ago, but when I get a new one I'll post some pics.

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my dog backed up to the fence while a male mated with her through the fence.
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That whould have been a site to see.
I would love to see pictures of your pups.

Jacob