mill dogs or backyard breeders, they are pretty close in similarity in terms of what they are producing. Living conditions may be a bit better but the bottom line is the same. $$


MidAtlantic Bulldog Rescue | www.midatlanticbulldogrescue.com
A 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organization

plain and simple


MidAtlantic Bulldog Rescue | www.midatlanticbulldogrescue.com
A 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organization

are mill dogs

the dogs come to us as adults when their health is failing or their behavior is so messed up from poor breeding and genetics that the families need to "get rid" of them


MidAtlantic Bulldog Rescue | www.midatlanticbulldogrescue.com
A 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organization

When I was coordinating for San Diego several years back I would only contact the breeder if (1)it was a kennel name that was at least somewhat familiar to me, and (2)that kennel was either the dam or sire of the previous generation. I didn't think that people could be held responsible beyond the person that they placed their puppies with. Most of the people I did contact said yes, it was okay for me to adopt out the dog...and thank you for letting them know the whereabouts of that bulldog...and sadly only one that I recall actually offered to make a donation, unsolicited by me.

Tiffany and Stella

I would guess that 50% of our rescue we get in are know pet store dogs,puppy mill or from oversees.The other 50% are probably from basically the same places or we just don't have any paperwork or history to verify where they are from.(shelter dogs,surrenders who don't remember where their dog comes from, etc.)Like others have said there are Champions or "known" breeders somewhere on the pedigree but the odds are you are not going to get anywhere contacting them anyway so you move on and find a new home.Some do step up and take care of their dogs but most especially now that the economy is bad have the same answer...we are loosing our house and not breeding anymore...but of course their websites have 2-3 litter for sale.
I know their are good or great breeders out there and really try not to group everyone in the same boat.As far as contributing to the problem~ either people do rescue and help or the dogs suffer or are put down so we have no choice but to keep doing what we do.


Liberty Grace & D.S Titan


www.loveabullrescue.com

to treat animals as no more than a money making thing with little no regard for the fact that it is a living being. With or without rescue groups, it will continue. If people are raising animals in such depolrable conditions, do you really think they give a CRAP about what happens to the dogs after they're sold? Or when they're done with the breeders? It doesn't matter much to them if the dog lives or dies, it is just a business to them. I just can't see a puppy mill in the US or in Europe as basing wether or not to breed another litter on the fact that there would be a rescue group available if one of their future buyers decides not to keep the puppy. No rescues available is NOT going to alter their breeding practices at all.

Cathy
when she first came home

please do not take this in the wrong context, but how can a handfull of people stop this?? for every rescue that is saved I would have to think there are dozens that slip throught the cracks, it is such a waste, i wish that there was something , some way to end this , I have such faith in what you and all the others do. again thankyou

I recently learned that the BCARN will not be asking various clubs and rescue groups to tally their annual numbers?! Would this be because they are embarrassingly high?! I know that certainly every local group does keep records, and I'll go out on a limb and suggest that 90% of them see an increase annually in the past few years...just as the breed gains interest/popularity coupled with the decrease in employment/affordability, more dogs are needing to be rescued with medical needs to be addressed.

Don't know how one would tally an increase in imported dogs since most of us want to distance ourselves from any part of this. And as for puppy mills and rescuing bulldogs from them, breeding bitches or those who are 'worn out from breeding' I personally know of few groups who take on this challenge just because the mills want to 'sell' these dogs, not donate them for a better life, and money to treat needy dogs is always in need...few groups will vote to spend their meager funds to purchase dogs, even if they are being considered "rescue bitches".

lily is my first rescue, she is from a puppymill , she was born iKiev ,in the ukraine, and Rocky is just a rescue cuz nobady wanted him. their loss my gain

This is a complex issue and I think any number of theories could be argued and supported as true.
But from my experience - most of the Bulldogs I have seen in Rescue are from BYB or small time mills (maybe these are really big BYB?), and more than a few that were sired by Champions from show breeders whose dam was just a pet owned by someone who wanted to have a litter. Where was the stud owners focus? Where was the mentoring?
We do see some Bulldogs bought from pet stores (all pet stores are supplied by puppy mills - no matter what they say to the contrary!) These often have horrid health issues &/or behavioral problems. Others were 'cute' as pups but never given any training or direction and now are too wild to live with or have developed bad habits.
I've also seen dogs run through Rescue that a breeder wouldn't take return of. Responsible breeders need to put peer pressure onto those breeders that don't have a return policy as part of their placement contract, to own up to the full responsibility of breeding.
There is a LOT to be done in the quest to improve breeding practices, on all sides.

It's sad but you really have to do your homework when selecting a breeder.

their are alot of puppy mill but for bulldogs needing a c section their not that popular... what about breeders that use rescue as a way of not taking a dog back...read your bca rules...i even read in a contract from a bca breeder if dog is to be surrendered he must go to a bulldog rescue...not alot of responsibility is their.... and using rescue as a dumping ground....
we as breeders (all breeds) need to clean our acts up and stop pointing fingers.....you would be pretty shocked at some pedigrees from back yard breeders..and dogs from stores...
Europe is just waiting for us to shut down commerical breeding and they will be sending us some of the worst junk around...heart break is right around the corner....if we dont watch whats going on and what laws are being passed....

I would imagine most dogs in rescue come from puppy mills or back yard breeders. Most reputable breeders have a contract that the dog must come back to them if the owner can't or won't take care of it. Of course, that's not a 100% guarantee that the dog won't end up as a rescue but, it's a start.

I don't know the history of my foster girl Bella but, under the circumstances, I have a pretty good idea. She had obviously been bred a few times, had health issues that had gone untreated for years, and ended up in a shelter at approximately 8 years of age. So, I figure she had belonged to a BYB and was turned out after she grew too old to have pups.

I am not intending to start a debate or imply anything negative at all.
The reason I am asking is because it came up in discussion with someone from a meetup group and I just don't know where I stand.


Tiffany and Stella