Look at all those innocent little cute faces! They are obviously loved.

Don't worry. The problems will get resolved. You just need a trainer's set of eyes to observe and help you by suggesting some new ways to act and react to their behavior.


I don't rescue animals because I want to feel better about myself, or morally superior to anyone. The best part of my life with animals is the humility they teach and the humanity the foster.
Jon Katz "Soul of a Dog"

....I have a similar problem but with 2 intact males. There is a 1.5 yr differance between them. 1st they played together then one day I guess the older boy said game over and it's been a heck of a time having them at the house loose together(it can't happen). What gets me is I've done some training with them and it will only happen in the house. Caged up and going to the park or walking is fine. I'm sure neutering might help one of them but now there 2 and 3.5yrs and I think it's more a jealous thing (one getting human affection then the other comes wanting blood) or maybe the older was at home longer and became territorial. Any input? Or any trainers out there got any training advice?

Javier

thanks Elaine, my litter of olde's last x-mas


My Kids

Trust me if I hadn't of lost my job over a year ago I would of had them all fixed by now. Times are tough and vet's have no compassion. my vet wants over 500.00 for each dog. hopefully the new vet I am going to will be better with my bullies
thanks

he or she will help you figure out what is going on. Hopefully you will neuter and spay everyone. It may not resolve the problem, but it could certainly help ease some of the tension.

Two year old males are generally full of themselves. They need lots of exercise and jobs to keep them busy and out of trouble.

Best of luck and let us know!


I don't rescue animals because I want to feel better about myself, or morally superior to anyone. The best part of my life with animals is the humility they teach and the humanity the foster.
Jon Katz "Soul of a Dog"

doesn't like him near the younger one. Our dog had puppies and we kept 2 of them, they lived together for 10 years before the Momma died, and she was absolutely the Momma her whole life. Very protective and very much in charge of the 2 dogs.

Cathy
when she first came home

I did notice the signs, they have not connected yet because I am able to see the signs starting.
they have been the best of friends for the past 2 years...
she even let him in the whelping box last year with her litter
I was trying to upload a pic of them, but can't figure it out new to board

lots and lots of dog communication occurs, humans miss most of it. Dogs rarely start fighting out of the blue, odds are, there was tension long before the first fight. It can start with language so subtle, frequent hard stares, tense body, hip checks etc., that they are hard for most people to notice until the brawls start.

Lynn King CPDT

I guess I just have to get over the feeling of nuetering him older. Like circumcising an adult male... LOL
I am bringing him to the vet in Ct from this website that works with bulldogs next saturday. I will see what they recommend. I just want my old big poppa back. It's scary how in a week his entire personality has changed

what are your thoughts on why he is just fighting the older bitch ?
Thanks again

thank you, I will separate them from now on, I have a trainer that should be able to come to the house by Sunday

I have another question, what is your thoughts on why he is only going after the onlder female ? he is not fighting the 1 yr old ?

aggression. Separating them helps to decrease their stress level, stressed dogs are far more reactive. You don't want them to engage in any more fights, the more they fight, the more practice they get and fighting is not a behavior you want them to practice.

Get that trainer.

Lynn King CPDT

Well, yeah, there are plenty of fixed aggessive boys. So yes, neutring isn't the end all be all cure for aggression or other unwanted behaviors, but it sounds like you have a differnt scenerio. It's just this overwhelming urge he is going to have that can drive him. I imagine it must feel like a starving person who is around a bbq???

Let me ask you this, If he isn't going to be shown/bred why keep him intact??? Why have to bother going to the vet to collect a few times a year??? I have an intact male and intact girls so i understand how hard it is to deal with. Thank God, collecting isn't my department!!

Definetly get a trainer before the behaviour gets out of your control.

Elaine thank you for the advice. Do you believe that nuetering a male will stop aggression issues ?
My plan was for the puppy to be spayed in Nov before her cycle but the dogs got into a rabid skunk ( they are all current on your shots & had 2nd vaccinactions at the time of incident) but what happened is the town quarentined my house and the dogs to my house. So I had to cancel the spay appt for the puppy. Which then she came into heat a week after her mother.

Ok but by keeping them separate, will they feel like they are being left out of the pack ? won't it cause more aggression ?
I never leave them alone anymore for there saftey. I love my dogs like my kids.
Thanks
Mary-Beth

he is hormonally supercharged. Definitely keep them separated, and find that trainer!

Cathy
when she first came home

thanks you so much, I was thinking that he had built up testosterone. I was telling my husband when they were in heat that we needed to help him get a release, but he laughed... I know of a vet locally that will collect for the owner. Maybe I will try that before I decide to nueter. I have just heard that nuetering doesn't always help the aggression.
thanks again

They are not going to resolve this without your intervention. You need the help of a trainer to get things on the right track ASAP.

Until you get help, keep the fighting dogs apart. Everyone deserves to feel safe in the house. They can't fight if they don't have access to each other and it's most important to prevent the fighting before it happens. Baby gates are $10 at Target.

I volunteer for rescue, so I'm always going to be for neutering and spaying. Last year your male was still a puppy, so it makes sense there was no problem. Now he's an adolescent adult testing his limits with you and the other dogs.

Take him to training classes. He needs lots of exercise, jobs, and activities to wear him out. All three would enjoy classes and they are great for building your relationship with the dogs.










I don't rescue animals because I want to feel better about myself, or morally superior to anyone. The best part of my life with animals is the humility they teach and the humanity the foster.
Jon Katz "Soul of a Dog"

thanks I will check out the list of trainers

When the male isn't neutered, there is a lot of tension built up. There is a very strong urge to mate, especially with 2 girls in heat in the same home!! An intact male needs to be collected from/released at least twice a year. If he isn't going to be shown/bred than go ahead and get him fixed.

As far as the fighting goes, Bulldogs are so tenacious and they never seem to forget. While other dogs live in the moment, Bulldogs seem to hold grudges. I wouldn't leave them alone unsupervised. My husband would tell you to walk them together daily.
Good Luck to you. It sucks when everyone gets along, then all of the sudden things change.

You have a lot of doggie dynamics going on, and you need someone to help you arrest this behavior before it advances any further (and becomes learned). There are cues that the dogs are giving that should alert you. A trainer will help you recognize them, and help with behavior modification. Check out the front page - there's a link for trainers.

Olivia/Kano/Q-Ball

Thanks Pat for the advice. I don't plan on breeding him, so I may consider the nueter.

it will definetly help..for sure to cut down on the fighting..
I would really keep the dogs seperate for now or put up a gate between them
or keep the one that is the scrapper on a leash close to you.......and observe
best of luck
sorry I am not much more help

the pecking order is something that is not quite settled here..either. somedays the top of the ladder is Bella and somedays it is Gus. the pugs just follow in line from there..

it will definetly help..for sure to cut down on the fighting..
I would really keep the dogs seperate for now or put up a gate between them
or keep the one that is the scrapper on a leash close to you.......and observe
best of luck
sorry I am not much more help

the pecking order is something that is not quite settled here..either. somedays the top of the ladder is Bella and somedays it is Gus. the pugs just follow in line from there..