When in the ring, the best dog should win. If one consistantly shows good dogs, yes, the judges and the competitors will associate them with having good dogs.

But, are you telling me that a "FACE" that has gotten to be known by judges, by visiting and smoozing outside the ring with them, etc., has on many occasions been able to take a dog in and win, based on their FACE, and not the merits of the dog?

It is the DOG that is being judged. By being "known" as one that consistantly shows good dogs is great for one's ego, but it doesn't make one dog better than the other. It is the dog. There has been many a very nice dog in a ring shown by a novice that should have won. The dog was far better than the one that won, being shown by a FACE. I applaud the judges that will put the best dog up, even if it is a novice over the obvious FACES.

You have had a lot of nice dogs and nice wins. I'm not saying that, nor is anyone else.

I believe you are strongly mistaken saying something was on THIS board about a dog dying.

I don't know about what you are referring to about Ventura. But, since YOU bring it up and try to say you've never done anything similar, let me remind you about the Las Vegas specialty 3 or 4 years ago.

You did not have anything entered, but drove up for the day with a litter of puppies. You set up an exercise pen with them just outside the door to the show area, and you were selling them. You were told that you had to stop, that was improper and not allowed on the show grounds. REMEMBER????? Please, let's not start this here.

Ever see someone refuse to show a bad dog for someone? I have. They didn't want their face out there with a bad one.

What's the problem here????

You guys are hoping on a word soemone says and not getting the message. So sad............

If you don't know what AKC went through, call them or read the news releases posted on their site:www.akc.org

We're not ducking the fact that I was late.

Emil is just sticking up for what's important, breeding good dogs.

If you ever thought I was politically conceted, thta's laughable. I've never fit into the groove
and I'm proud of that. I belong to the "Outside the Circle" club.

My early MENTORS were not easy on me and told me of the perils that go with showing winning dogs. I stuck to the breeding program they suggested, I got my face out there and won in spite of that.... get it?? That's a funny.....

I remember when Way Too Cool supposedly died in my car after winning a big show. His heart supposedly exploded, as was posted on this message venue.
This was done of course to discredit the stud dog, Cool Dude, who was a top ranked dog that year.

Well, we finnished Way Too Cool about three months after he reportedly died. He's now four years old,
sire of Ch Dk's Fanfaire Sash and the sire of two new litters we currently have. Not bad for a dead dog.

Than there was the time I was supposedly at the Ventura specialty weekend with 23 puppies, a motorhome and for sale signs on the puppy pen, and
that I was ejected from the show for selling pups on the grounds. All B/S.

We had pups with us, far feweer than reported. None for sale and we went Winner's Dog and Best of Breed twice that weekend. Not bad for people that were thrown out of the show. All B/S......

We were showing good dogs, getting our face out there and havin fun in spite of our distrcators....

Marcel

Emil made one statement about getting his face out there. I'd call that a very basic remark coming from anybody helping one adapt to a competitive arena of people.
It's like," man, get your face out there and show some good dogs, act courteously and be a good sport".

Emil has my Champion Diamond Rose, two pups from Heather Hale's breeding (using my dogs) and he's off to a good start. He also owns a male dog that is a littermate to the Mel's and the Hale's dogs.
Now that he has the papers he's so patiently waited for, he plans to show him and maybe breed him because he's now matured. His name is DK's Mini Cooper.

The previous three bulldogs he was showing when I met him were awful. All sold to him at eight weeks of age
as "for sure" show dogs. One was so loose in the shoulders, he had to have his belly held up when stacked for examination by the judge.

Now Emil has a few dogs he can breed, select the best,
get his face out there with nice dogs and become a reputable breeder.

All those bulldoggers who advertise, whether it's on here, the Bulldogger or the Sourmug, are all doing the same, getting their faces out their.

Sorry to be so picky but Emil is a few years new to the fancy and I'm protective of who I help.

Check out the people at SoHo Bulldogs. They have their first champ,are breeding good dogs and have become my best friends, They are also great bulldoggers.

So there............LOL

Your bulldog friend, Marcel

I have not bred to a bitch that is nine and a half months old.
I have all of my dog's paperwork as to who I bred them too, the bitche's age, AKC number all that.

MORE B/S from Mrs/ Mr, annonymous.

I think annonymous has a problem. I know of a bulldogger/ judge that told me once she used false names to kick up the dust on this site.

Must be her.

I had two dogs given to me from the bitch owner as repayment for items owed. In this case it was a number of stud services.

The papers were immediately sent back to us from AKC stating a signature was missing. The breeder did not see this coming and neither did we.

After a while, we did get the signature that was needed. The individual was out of the country and unreachable. (He was visiting in the country side in
southern Vietnam).
By the time we submitted it to the AKC, the delay problem they had was just starting to develop. That's why we resubmitted the same application numerous times. Eventually they were all processed, hitting our credit card for more than $1400. On top of that, they registered the same litter five times.
So, don't tell me things can't go wrong at AKC.

Now, AKC does not make you do anything. They have guidelines for handling paperwork related to breeding and showing dogs. One has to follow these guidelines to stay in complioance. I did.
They SUGGEST that papers go with the dog, to avoid disputes. Lesson learned. They do not throw you out for disputes unless they are anumal cruelty related or have to do with screwing with who you actually bred and who you claim the dogs to be. This is easy to investigate because of DNA testing.

AKC does levie fees for submitting late paperwork but they do not penalize beyong that as long as all is correct and truthful on the applications.

AKC further advises that papers be in hand before you breed a dog. Stud contracts and receits should always include the dog's AKC number. There's no way the Mel's, the Hale's and the owners of the other dogs, been able to do this before they bred.

They, like us did not see or know that AKC was going to fail us for months. I ask why aren't they included in the small claims case against me?

Why did Carol and Heather breed prematuraly?
Couldn't they wait until the dogs were at least teenagers? I guess they needed the dough.........

AKC does not recognize that aspect of breeding dogs. They just say wait for the papers before you breed
"if" you want to register the pups immediately.

Now they have their papers, the ability to register their litters and so on. Everybodt who dealt with papers in the last six months had to wait.

It wasn't a pleasant situation but none the less, it ended up just like I said. Finally AKC processed the papers. Took months...............

Others have posted the same experiences on this board
but I'm the only one being sued and slandered on this same message board.

Marcel

I dont want my "face" known. The show isnt about me its about my dog.

...(Anyone of those dogs could and still can be finished) but it is in his opinion that it is more important to handle as many dogs as possible. To better understand there many strengths and weakness and show them equally to their best.
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Emil, I haven't been showing much in the last couple of years, but do have 30 years experience and have bred 15 champions. I don't understand your comment above. All dogs have their strengths and weaknesses, and when one exhibits their dog, it is to show them to their best. However, if "anyone of those dogs could and still be finished", I do not comprehend why you would not expect "wins", even while you are showing your "face"??

I don't think anyone has doubted Marcel's ability to show a dog well, and he has certainly acquired the knowledge of the politics you mention and his face is known. However, the question is responsibility as a breeder or owner of a stud and timeliness in paperwork.

I know those words are true, but it's unfortunate that it has to be like that. I thought it was suppose to be about exceptional Bulldogs.

Wishing you continued successes ...

What I mean about getting my "face" known, is that I mean to other fellow bulldoggers...not necessarily to judges (but that also comes to a point were sooner or later that these breeders will become judges also). My point is that I loved and owned bulldogs for about 9 years or so, but only have been showing about 3 years. So I am still new to showing. We all want to be respected and accepted by our peers. I understand that many others are doing well in the ring, inspite of the fact they are new comers. I was also in that position when I first began. I actually pointed a dog before my old breeder did. To top it off I was able to take breed over a dog in the same class that had a famous professional handler who swept 3 of the 4 days. I am telling you not only did the news break out to other bulldoggers, but to the rest of the show. It was a sad fact that the focus was on me beating the pro than how wonderful my dog shown. It was a big shocker to me when the judge put me up, but it got really ugly when I was in the group ring. The way I was treated. They made me feel that only the "big boys" belong and they didn't understand what a newcomer was doing in the ring. Besides that when I say "DUES" I mean that I show my dedication to showing by going to all the events and getting my face known. So basically what I am saying is that we are in our comfort zone among old faces then being surrounded by new faces. I have now earned the trust of many others as just not another "new face" but one who is dedicated to showing...a familiar face among bulldoggers.

We all are influenced with role models and mentors throughout our lives. I would like to speak about one in particular. In a 2 year period of time my mentor and more importantly my friend has provided me more knowledge than my entire 9 years of owning bulldogs. He had shown me the ropes in caring, showing, training and now breeding our beloved bulldogs. I can't say enough of how much this man has helped me, especially in the politically enriched dog show world. I would like to mention a few things that he has generously provided for me. I was fortunate enough to acquire his Champion bitch, to start my foundation (Way below market value). I have now a line not only will produce champions, but with a higher ratio per litter. Basically I have taken a shortcut to be equal to his level. I have shown, trained and won with many of his dogs. One might ask how many I have championed? ZERO...(Anyone of those dogs could and still can be finished) but it is in his opinion that it is more important to handle as many dogs as possible. To better understand there many strengths and weakness and show them equally to their best. As he stated I will have plenty of time to get my champions and more importantly to breed them for myself. So until then he will provide me with dogs to show and more importantly it will campaign my "face" in the show ring (so for those lucky few, I might have shown and trained your dogs and for sure have AKC ribbons that they won). Before this line I was flying under the radar of many bulldoggers. Now many top breeders have taken notice of the quality of the dogs I have handled and they literally have told me so. The most important thing that I have been told is "Once I give you an advice and you disregard it, don't come back for more...you will be wasting both of our time!". I didn't realize the validity to those words until I became a mentor. The most valued thing he has shown me is RESPECT. For what he has accomplished, he always has the time for us "little" people and he didn't forget where he came from.

Who am I...
1.Someone who rather focus on the positives of life than be troubled with all the negatives (I could have taken that low road and have my own bashing facts). But again life is to short!
2.Someone who is proud to be associated with DK Bulldogs!
3. A BCA member in good standing and who's character can be vouch for by the current division III president and among many other show breeders.
4.Someone who has paid some (I still have a lot to learn) his dues and now enjoying them.
Take heed in the truth to those who post without coming forthright with there name.
I thank you all kindly for taking the time to reading my very long posting and would like to hear more about your mentors and role models in your life...

Emil (RBulldogs)
p.s. You can't please everybody...but I know there are a lot more people who have taken pleasure of owning a "DK's" bulldog than those that are displeased.

There is many exhibitor/breeders in your area doing nice winning that hasn't been involved in Bulldogs as long as you.

Yes, you have to pay your dues....in order to learn and get good ring experience.....not for getting your "face" known.

I'm sure you've paid a hefty price already for the dogs you have. Sometimes it is luck, sometimes it is from careful studying and proper choices in buying and breeding, but there are plenty of people who can go into the ring with a winner, and only have a couple years (if that) experience.

I thought I missed going to the shows! Doesn't sound like being a big name and a big winner is somewhere I want to go! I'd rather remain a basic nobody, enjoy my pooches, and live in peace.

"Paying your dues" doesn't seem worth it.

How do go about getting these exceptional bulldogs? By earning the trust and respect of top breeders. One of the ways you do that is by showing up ringside and paying your dues. Not to many big name breeders will give there best stuff to new comers! If they do most likely it came with a hefty price tag.

if you had not posted anonymously.

I MUST SAY MARCEL IS TALKING OUT BOTH SIDES OF HIS MOUTH. THE STORY DEPENDS ON WHAT SIDE YOU ARE ON. YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT MENTORING. I MET SOMEONE IN THE VETS DOWN SOUTH THAT CLEARLY STATED SHE BREED WITH WITH HIS STUD. I ASKED HOW OLD WAS SHE AND SHE SAID 9.5 MONTHS OLD. SO I DO NOT KNOW WHO HE IS FOOLING.