I am going to say one more thing (not to beat this tired subject any longer) but for those that are sincerely seeking the truth I think this will help matters out. Marcel accuses me of breeding my dog at such a young age and that I must have been happy with him to breed him. Actually at that point I realized that the dog I purchased from Marcel had no show potential due to his unsociable disposition so I had hoped to obtain a puppy by him to show. Marcel is VERY clear on this and I have E-mail proving this. Also, the part I am REALLY burning up on is that he is slamming me here for breeding him at a young age. I ASKED Marcel if I should breed him and if I would have the papers. He assured me over and over that I would and ENCOURAGED me to breed him! Now he is slamming me for it! PLEASE, PLEASE if there is any doubt E-mail me privately and I will forward our correspondence where he encourages me to breed him and that I'll have the papers as well. I also have an E-mail dated a couple of months ago THANKING me for all of this because his website is getting lots of hits due to the advertisment of it all. Now he claims that there are damages to his reputation because of me. I stated that I bought the dog and never received papers. It is the truth. To date,6-19-03,I have NOT RECEIVED THE DOG'S PAPERS. I did contact the man at AKC. He was very nice and polite but said that it is a different sire on the papers then the one that I bought. When I asked Marcel he said that he put in a correction form but the man at AKC said that at that time there was no correction form for that litter. I'm so sorry that these are long winded but it's hard to stand by quietly when the truth is NOT being told. Again, I purchased a litter of unregistered pups and rest assured they all went to very good homes but I learned a very costly lesson there and hope for retrubution in court for my damages and now to have Marcel scold me for breeding him is salt in the wound! I did not want to put the bitch owner off on getting her litter registered and don't expect her to wait for months and months as I have so I had no choice but to buy the pups from her. Marcel keeps saying that I will be able to register them after I get the papers. Well, I did not want to hold onto pups for months and months (I don't know if I'll EVER get his papers) and I can't go back and say now I want more money since I can register them (assuming I ever do get his papers) so they went to pet homes without papers. I am not suing Marcel for nothing. I have serious damages and E-mails from him encouraging me to breed him and assuring me I'll have the papers! Quite frankly, I deeply resent the warnings to my vet from him. My vet hasn't wronged me nor mislead me so why would I sue him? I waited over EIGHT months to file suit!

The dog is not hyper but he is terrified of his own shadow, VERY unsociable and would prefer to live in his crate forever if I let him. In fairness to Marcel he warned me before I bought him that he had some temperament issues as did his sire (I have that E-mail saved) I thought he may just need some one on one work but that is not the case. Every day by the end of the day he's not too bad but every morning we have to start over and all the progress we made the day before is lost. It has been nine very frustrating months. My dog was approximately six months old when I got him. I received no papers with him. The next month I E-mailed Marcel asking him to send them and he said he would, the next month I asked him again and he said AKC made a mistake but I'd get them. Several months later I had the opertunity to breed him for a puppy back but was concerned since I didn't have the papers. Marcel repetedly assured me that I'd have the papers and to go ahead and breed him (I hoped to get a dog to show since by then it was obvious that I'd never be able to show this male despite being quite clear in my desire for a show prospect) I patiently waited during her two months of gestation but then when the pups were a week old the bitch owner came to me and wanted me to sign over the litter registration. That's when things got ugly with Marcel and I. I had to purchase the litter from the lady to avoid dragging her into this mess. I since then sold the pups at a 50% loss without papers (yes...lesson learned) and had to stand by as Marcel scolded me for breeding him (I have E-mail after E-mail from him encouraging me to go ahead with the breeding and that I'd have the papers before they were born) that hurt! I met another lady on the net that he promised the papers to and failed to deliver so we joined forces in a suit. Marcel keeps saying that he hasn't broken AKC rules BUT he has violated the California Lemon law and really wronged me. I want to make one point very clear here. Marcel keeps stating that I now have my papers. I DO NOT HAVE THE DOG'S PAPERS. I have nine months worth of promises and he has said that AKC screwed up the paperwork numerous times but I do not have his papers and am resentful that he is stating that I do. That is out and out NOT TRUE. Since I filed suit on him I would think that he would send them in a manner where he has proof but I have yet to see any proof that they were sent out. Finally, when I was getting everything together for the judge I realized that the dog I priginally purchased is NOT the same dog as in the picture that I I agreed to purchase. I will show this to the judge. Marcel knows this because he can go into sent mail and see the picture of the dog I bought. Perhaps that was an honest mistake but since I'm asking him to take the dog back then he should be willing tro do so since it's the wrong dog and I have no papers on him. This dog I have is very beautiful. All of the dogs from Marcel that I've ever seen are gorgeous which is why I desired with all my heart to own one of his dogs but this dream has turned into a complete nightmare. I should never have been treated like this by him and I should not be without papers after nine and a half months of waiting (not to mention the dog was already six months old)I hope this explains everything. I have E-mail correspondence between us to verify everything that I have stated here.

The rumors that were on the way is why I bailed on my membership. It was advised by a BCA official that this was the fastest way to stop things.
They themselves realized the backwardness of their approach to a complaint.

The complaint letter was mailed to all the councilors on or about Dec 3rd, 2002. I found out about it on Dec 24th. Nice Christmas present.
I told the official that this was going to turn into a smear campaign as the accusations were not factual.
The official further explained that this process was discreet.
Funny thing is, at the Palm Springs show a week later, many people were walking up to me or talking behind me about my pending expulsion. These were mostly non-councillors. Where did the discreet part go to? That's why I bailed.
We're still members but Karin's name is the one we use. For ten years it was my name even though Karin always qualified for membership. Now I plan to reapply to put an end to this rumor.

Thanks for thre kind remarks. Enjoy your Bulldogger.
We have Roxie, our foundation bitch advertised on the back cover. She passed away six months ago at eleven years old.

Marcel

What will the accusers do to right all the false accusations they made??

That's why people should think out what they do before they do it. They can cause irrepairable damages to others and themselves.

Thanks for the comments on Cool Dude. He's sleeping on my foot right this moment. It's getting a little hot.....

Marcel

Since the first time we met years ago, I have always enjoyed your friendly personality and great sense of humor. It was also a joy to have you judge sweepstakes at our specialty last year. You can imagine how surprised many of us were to hear of your "situation" just after our shows, when the BCA Councilors were all sent a letter asking their opinions on the expulsion process. The most confusing part is that many hadn't heard your side of the story.

As you know, the expulsion process discussions are still in progress, and it is likely to be a very hot topic at this year's National Council meeting. I have yet to receive my new Bulldogger, but I hear the Q & A section regarding this topic is quite interesting. I also hear that you opted not to renew your BCA membership this year, yet it appears you are still attempting to keep an active role in breeding and exhibiting. This unfortunate situation you are in is obviously not over yet, and it is nice to hear your side of the story. I hope you'll share more as things continue.

Aside from this, I hope all is well for you, Karin & the bullies.

so that we can have closure on the matter as well.

(We don't get to shows anymore, but I always enjoyed seeing the ever-handsome Cool Dude!)

Carol and Heather Hale bought dogs from me. I was not the breeder but they were mine because I was owed them to me as stud puppies.
The papers were rejected by AKC because a signature was not in the proper place. The breeder was out of the country and this became a months type of situation.

AKC does accomidate for late papers but charges a fee.
That's it, no expulsion or reprimands. They know these things happen.

The buyers wanted to breed their dogs. The male at such a young age is questionable. The female was a joke. She even needed cherry eye surgery but that had to wait.

While waiting for papers, the buyers began a very negative campaign to affect my reputation.
I guess it has worked because I've seen people on this forum even suggest jail time for me in regards to these events. That's kind of funny. What should Greg Mel get for the threatening call? He may find out when he gets to California next month.

The papers have arrived and they now have the AKC number for their dogs. All is well you'd think.
Now they want to claim I sent them the wrong dog.
That means they both bred the wrong dogs. To the wrong mates also I wonder? I hope the were older
than these were at the time of breeding.


Both these people are not members of the BCA or any other Bulldog club. I should have checked before selling the dogs. My mistake.

Carol was given a name and number to a gentleman with the AKC that is familiar with this event. I don't hear her saying what he told her, if she even called
at all.

AKC has taken much of the blame in this matter.
This will be presented to the judge next month as an explantion to what happened.
Then Carol will have to explain why they acted the way they did when we have our seperate hearing on that topic later on. California has some good laws in this area.

The lawsuit? Just a couple of bulldog owners looking to hurt fellow Americans and make a few extra bucks. Who will be the next poor victim?
Never have we slandered, misled or deceived these people. We gave the updates but they didn't like what they were, so then came the nasty posting on this site.

You also don't see Heather Hale on here much.

She's Carol's partner in the suit and the owner of the baby bitch that was bred.

That's really the whole story.

Marcel

Marcel,
There's no story here, just the truth. I bred him because when it was obvious that he had no show potential (despite being sold to me as show quality) I hoped to get a pup from him that I could show. He's a great looking dog, no doubt. I never said otherwise but he's not the one I agreed to buy over the internet and his personality is very flawed. I bred him because I hoped (and still do) that his personality is man made. He's terrified of his own shadow and very crate bound, perhaps you should have spent a little more time with him? In fairness, you did warn me about his personality before I got him but you also said he could overcome it...what were you thinking? You said he was a little shy like his daddy (I saved the E-mail) that is the biggest understatement I've ever heard! Heather is trying to get the breeding from Cool Dude because you OWE her one! Why shouldn't she? Nothing weird about that, except that you won't honor your word. Also, there is no "distancing herself from me" We only know each other through our dealings from you! There was NOTHING EVER stated except the truth. By the way, I heard of another man having the same problems getting his papers from you. Why don't you get your paper work straightened out instead of spending your time on here trying to convince people how great you are? YOU bred Mt. Views MiMi before she was even registered. John Bradley (the person from AKC that you told me to contact) confirmed this! She was not registered until March of 2003!You are critizing me for breeding him before having his papers. (I only did that because I trusted you that you'd have his papers for me before the litter arrived just as YOU PROMISED) You bred her and she wasn't even registered!! You say you know everything about ALL of the dogs that you breed, how is that possible if you bred a bitch without papers? How did you even know her age, let alone anything else? Don't you DARE preach ethics to me! Shame on you! I asked you BEFORE I bred him, when I still trusted you at your word, and you ASSURED me I'd have his papers BEFORE the litter arrived (all along knowing that the Dam to my dog was not even registered) This caused me a hardship that I can directly attribute to you and your lies. I will prove everything to the judge by YOUR OWN E-mail transcripts! You violated California laws and as a result you are being sued. Why is that so hard for you to comprehend?

Carol,

You tell agood story but what about the breeding you did with that bad dog you talk of? If you were that good breeder, you would have pasted on using him.

You made all these decisions and now you are unhappy.
We'll see what the juge says on Tuesday.

By the way, Heather Hale, the other suing me along with you is tryong to breed to Cool Dude, even while she's suing me. Kind of weird isn't it?

She also told me she was distancing herself from you
because of the claims you are making.

AKC rep at the Ventura shows told me he'd help in any way to explain the late papers and that it was you people who breed the dog with a bad contract that really should be reviewed.

You don't see Heather on here complaining because she's probably registered her pups now that she has her pups. You should do the same.

See you and Heather on Tuesday.

Marcel