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Here's Archie's report...

 I do appologize- I teach all day Tues and Wed, then work at my clinic Wed. night, and I wanted to get a copy of his file. Archie was 57 lbs, or 26 kg, and received a pre-anesthetic of BAG (butorphenol, acepromazine and glycopyrrolate) to sedate him- he got 1 cc sq 10 minutes prior to being induced (actually a low dose for his weight, but he is a brachy, so we are more cautious), we masked him with 100% oxygen, and I noticed his respiration was heavy. I should have gone with my gut feeling and called you to take him home, but I thought I was being overly cautious (hindsight...). He was induced  with a mixture of ketamine/diazepam 1:1 dosed at 0.1ml/kg so 2.7 ml dosed to effect (he received 2.2 ml to achieve an adequate state of anesthesia, where we could intubate him). After intubation, he was maintained at 2% isoflurane gas on a circle system with 1 l oxygen flow. Post anesthesia, he received 0.15ml hydromorphine for analgesia, and during wake up, he was kept on the oxygen until ready to extubate- we do that to maximize oxygenation. Despite him waking up, he had increased respiratory sounds, so we masked him with oxygen, which made him panic, so stopped. That is why I knew he would need a brachycephalic repair, but honestly thought he would do ok after the surgery, and did not expect him to pass away that night.
 
Once again, my condolences to you and your sister, and a check will be on its way next week.
 
I hope this gives you some closure. I have practiced for 23 years, I teach at Vanier, and I have run the SNclinic for 17, and once again, this was not my intention to lose your dog post-operatively.
 
Sincerely, Dr. Amanda Glew

 

 

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and just to clarify...

she reimbursed the surgery...that's the cheque that she refers to in her report...

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I'm so sorry this happened.

I can't even imagine how tough it must have been and still is.  I was surprised that the dr actually wrote that she had a gut feeling something was wrong.  That would make me even more angry.  Just the other day, someone was lecturing me about being so overly cautious (which I know I am anyway) and they said something general about dogs. My response was "I don't have a dog, I have a bulldog." That's why our guys need such special care and the vet should have known that.  I'm sorry again. 

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(((hugs))) thnq sweetie...it

(((hugs))) thnq sweetie...it still boils my blood almost 7 months later....

omegabulldogs's picture

Anesthesia

is a big deal in Bulldogs. I know Dr. Butchko (Southern California) used morphine injection pre-op (1. makes them vomit so clears stomach thus reduces chance of aspiration and 2. reduces pain so gets a jump on post-op pain) and uses propofonal (spelling wrong) for anesthesia. Altho I never lost a Bullie I know of people who had so surgical loss is always possible. However, what your vet used is something I would not be comfortable with. Also Ace is not a bad drug altho I wouldn't want it used in combination with other drugs. My daughter who worked as a vet tech used it on one of our Bullies to do toe nails! (I know--awful. But this girl would go into respitory distress when having her toe nails done. Pure panic attack. Ace relaxed her--was probably a light dose.) My sister gives Ace before a car trip (dog gets so upset in the car he'll heat stroke.) Very sorry for your loss.

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thnq ...(((hugs)))...i can

thnq ...(((hugs)))...i can understand that it might or might not affect ALL dogs...but still not something

that should be chanced...

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oh dear!

i am so sorry to read this. rip dear archie.........hugs n love to you and your family.

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I'm so sorry too

I know how much this hurts...

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(((hugs))) thnq

(((hugs))) thnq

Deb and MacKenzie and Ester's picture

Miriam Agree about Ace

There are times that Ace can be used very efficiently and safely.  My vet might use it for a mild sedation to do an xray if they can't get the patient to relax.  But only as a mild sedation.  There are so many other newer anesthesias available that do not have the problems seen with Ace.

What I think in this case is more the fact that the dog was not under supervision during the night.  If there isn't anyone on watch 24/7 then send the dog home so the owners can monitor the dog and take it to the emergency vet if needed.  I will never leave a dog overnight at a vets after surgery unless there is 24 hr supervision.

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Awww, Pegsy! Again....I send (((( HUGS )))) So sorry!!! NM

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thnq sweetie...(((hugs)))

thnq sweetie...(((hugs)))

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yes well...if we all knew

yes well...if we all knew then what we know now...

Deb and MacKenzie and Ester's picture

Very sad and I'm so sorry

We trust our vets, because they are the experts.  Sometimes they make mistakes.