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I personally like the Brindles :)  even though Gimzo is a Fawn :)

but if you check out the BCA's website about conformity it does state that "solid black is very undesirable."  I think the black and white look you're talking about is coming out of poorly bred dogs who have a lot of health problems.  Do you remember when Judy Wilson was on here looking for transport help to pull 2 puppies with SB from Montana to get them to her on the east coast??   That breeder is A) very shady and B) claims to have a solid black male.

RED FLAGS EVERYWHERE.

I think this trend is similar to the "blue" Frenchie trend.  That got so out of hand that the National Club had to make a formal statement that the blue coloring was not conforming, breeders producing it were not breeders in good standing with the club AND that it would DQ dogs from competing.

I'm sure some of the others who do have more knowledge and experience will chime in...but that's my 2 cents (and then some).

I am also no professional but I have owned and been around bulldogs for 15 years.  I have never actually seen in person a bulldog thats black/white.  i have seen pictures of a couple on this forum that are black and white and look beautiful.  I have also read that this is not a common color for bullies.  I think if you were planning on showing then don't get black/white.  I love all bulldogs colors.  they are all beautiful to me.  And I am also getting a little "new puppy itch".  Gracie just turned a year and she is the best dog which is making me want another one!!!  I just can't resist those faces!!

are breeding to the standard and care about the future of the breed DO NOT breed for rare colors.  This is nothing more then a sales tactic to get more money in the pocket of millers and BYB.  Nothing else. Why else would they ask ridiculous amounts and better yet why would someone pay those ridiculous amounts.  If you want a black and tan dog and only care about the color...then buy a  black or black and tan breed. Reputable breeders do their best to breed to the standard. When these colors are introduced into the gene pool it is just another thing that reputable breeders have to watch in their breeding programs.  Most of the blacks I have seen are poor quality as well, that's what happens when you start breeding for only color without concern for the whole dog, health and temperment.

There have been a number of conversations on other forums over the years about black and black and tan colors and the standard was written for a reason,  The standard has been around for 100 years.  Some of the concerns with introducing black into a breed with color is that black is a dominant color.  I don't think they (the saviours of the breed) invisioned our breed becoming Dobermen w/short legs or Rottweilers.  There is also consideration that because black is a color that absorbs heat and isn't reflective would not be good for a breed that did bull baiting.  I'm not sure that the historical writings give definite reasons...but what we do know from the standard is that it was important enough to make it undesirable.  E Hugo is a breed historian who is a breeder judge with 30 years in the breed

From the Standard!

Color of Coat
The color of coat should be uniform, pure of its kind and brilliant. The various colors found in the breed are to be preferred in the following order: (1) red brindle, (2) all other brindles, (3) solid white, (4) solid red, fawn or fallow, (5) piebald, (6) inferior qualities of all the foregoing. Note: A perfect piebald is preferable to a muddy brindle or defective solid color. Solid black is very undesirable, but not so objectionable if occurring to a moderate degree in piebald patches. The brindles to be perfect should have a fine, even and equal distribution of the composite colors. In brindles and solid colors a small white patch on the chest is not considered detrimental. In piebalds the color patches should be well defined, of pure color and symmetrically distributed.

Interesting you mention this...we just had a decision about color on FB with the BCA president.

Seems that breeders that have black and whites price them over $3500 a puppy---AND they have Tons of breed stock.....Pretty sad.  From a picture they are beautiful!  The sheen of their coats really shows on the black, making the wrinkles even more adorable.  BUT everything else I see says puppy mill.

I was just curious if my hunch was right, even though I love black and white, I would not get a bulldog just for color.

But I do say puppy itch is really striking........since I am not going to go on a cruise this year (I dont want to leave Kippah) I could spend that vacation money on a new puppy......but I almost feel like I would be cheating on Kippah  LOL

my personal opinions:

1. The bullie didn't look normal.  There was something about her overall form that made him look like she was mixed and not a true bullie.

2. This bulldog I saw was brought into the vets office with the puppies she just had and they were all coming in for some existing health issue.  In my opinion the bullie should have NOT been allowed to reproduce due to whatever issues they were experiencing (especially because you could tell the mother was not a pure breed).

I was standing next to another bullie over waiting for the vet. When we got to talking about our bullies he even mentioned that he thought black was an undesirable trait and said that the lady should not have been breeding her dog.  Bulldog puppies look similar when young but it's when they are full grown when you can tell if they are a mixed breed or not.  I'm not sure if any of these opinions have anything to do with the color itself but it's just my observation from this one encounter. 

so u wouldn't be able to tell if it was really an english bulldog puppy... i saw one at the park the other day and when i finally got close enough to pet him, i noticed hid legs were a little too long... i didnt have the heart to tell the owner that they got ripped off! i kind have a thing for fawn ones.. kibby is white... but i have always admired the fawn ones because i dont see them that often!