I received a "reminder card" from my vet yesterday and it said that Lilly is due for the "DHLP/CPV/CV" yearly shot. Well, I remembered that Lilly's daddy died last year at 8 1/2 years old and I could have sworn it had something to do with a reaction to this particular shot, so I contacted the breeder. The breeder told me this is the shot that killed Lilly's daddy, his immune system just broke down after the shot and died 5 months after the shot. The breeder told me that she wouldn't give Lilly the shot because she's 5 years old and her immune system should be built up enough (there are studies to back this up), these shots were important for puppies, but it's not necessary every year. Now I don't know what to do because I just know I am going to go to the vet, the vet is going to make me feel if Lilly DOESN'T get the shot, that I'm irresponsible. So, I'm just trying to get another opinion here so I can make a decision.
Thanks
Keith
My best friend and I just had this discussion,
BTW she is also my Vet. Both my dogs are vaccinated, however from here on out they will both only get a yearly Rabies; as required by law and injectable Bordetella vaccine but only yearly, since they do go hiking, to the Vets, etc. and we want to keep them from getting kennel cough which can turn ugly with these guys. We will keep an eye on the Distemper for breakouts etc. and vaccinate ONLY IF NECESSARY. My cat has Irritable Bowel Disease (IBD) he no longer gets any vaccines. He is strictly indoors, and vaccines make him flare so we quit doing them all together.
Neither one of my dogs get vaccinated for Lyme disease, it is the most common reaction vaccine and the disease is treatable, but they are both on flea/tick prevention as well. Ida, our Boxer got it once and had a HORRIBLE reaction so we decided no more and we are not going to risk it with Farley.
I did not mean yearly Rabies..they will get a 3 year.
Sorry...Farley was chewing on a pencil and I had to rescue it.
I will not be giving any more shots
not required by law. The vaccines have been PROVEN to last 5-7 years. Yep, 5-7 years! I read the minutes from a veterinary conference that had this listed, ALL the vaccines had these wonderful long term benefits, then guess what they recommended? Yearly shots. Why???? Because it is a SIGNIFICANT source of income for them. Not just the shots themselves, but they figure people would skip the yearly visit altogether if they knew their dog did not NEED the shots. My vet knows how I feel about it, and does not push it. He is the one that told me distemper is not a concern here, and her parvo titer proved she is immune.
Cathy and Audrey
Should I request the titer
Should I request the titer test to see how her immune system is? She's 5 and has had these stupid shots every year (except the rabies, that's ever 3 years here in the State of VA), my breeder is telling me, and from all the internet research I've done, it points to Lilly not needing these shots, the research told me that the shots, when they are puppies, build the immune system and the shots are no longer needed.
You can, but honestly you probably don't need to.
Vaccines are way over rated and are a huge income source for Vets. Only do the vaccines required by law. If your Vet makes you feel like a schmuck for not getting the vaccines they recommend, then don't get them there at all, you can always go to a vaccine clinic and get just a Rabies.
the titer tests are not a precise
measure of IMMUNITY. It is hard to explain because I am just understanding it myself. A vaccine will seroconvert, giving a dog the ability to produce the necessary anitibody when exposed to the disease. If the dog has not been exposed in a while, there will not be anything showing up in her blood. That does NOT mean the memory cells are not there to kick in if exposed, just that at that given moment in time, nothing active was going on. Where I live distemper is rare, but parvo is a serious problem. When Audrey had her titer tests, it showed she had a 'very strong' immunity to parvo. So this tells me she was recently exposed and her immune sytem kicked it's butt. Shortly after that our neighbors 2 dogs died of parvo, I KNOW she is exposed a LOT. Her distemper titer came back as a 0, or showing no immunuty. This could be
#1-she never seroconverted from her puppy vaccines.
#2 she DID seroconvert but has not had any exposure
This is a very loose explanation, and of course hind sight being 20/20 I know I should have had her titers done after her vaccines to see if they worked or not. Next time, if I do vaccinate a puppy, I will make SURE to have it tested to see if ot worked!
Cathy and Audrey
Agreed because the memory cells do not show on a titer test.
So they may still have the immunity but since they have not been "exposed" their memory cells have not kicked in to fight the exposure therefore it will show 0 on the test but they still have immunity. Titer test are really confusing. I only do Bordetella because my dogs are kenneled at times and we take them out a lot in public, otherwise they would just get Rabies. If we have a break out of Distemper, we will titer then decide to vaccinate if appropriate, otherwise they will get nothing more than what they are required by law.
Vaccinating is a personal decision, but not one to take lightly. Dogs can have serious reactions from vaccines even weeks after the vaccine is given.
Titers only here
Rocky was titered I had him check at 5 years and again at 7 and his levels were fine. I agree with Cathy that it is a money maker for the vets. I know she is your friend but maybe you both can learn something from titering.
Jo Ann
I would go that route if the vet pushes the shots
then you can point at the report and say look she doesn't need them!
should be under the titer post
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Here is some information from the AAHA...
They changed their recommendations in 2006. Once the dog has had it's full set of puppy shots....they recommend core vaccines be possibly given every 3 years or LONGER.
http://www.aahanet.org/PublicDocuments/VaccineGuidelines06Revised.pdf
I am the one with the Vet as a friend...not the original poster.
My Vet does not recommend anything but the 3-year Rabies and Bordetella if necessary depending on their lifestyle.
should be under Jo Ann's titer post....
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Thanks everyone
Thanks everyone for all the responses, this has been a HUGE help. FWIW, I haven't had one person, other than the vet, that has told me that vaccines are a good idea, that speaks volumes. I'm going to just have them do the fecal exam and the annual physical, if they give me any crap, I'll take my business somewhere else.
Thanks again
Keith
Deciding to vaccinate or not
is a decision that each dog owner has to make for themselves, hopefully with lots of research and discussion with a vet, each owner will come up with a schedule that they feel comfortable with. I choose not to vaccinate my dogs. All of them have had the full series of vaccinations prior to coming here, so we have chosen not to continue the shots. I began to question the necessity of yearly vaccinations years ago, most vets couldn't give me an answer that made any sense to me, so I stopped having them done. My current vet has a 5 to 7 year protocol and excuses my older dogs from the 3 year Rabies vaccination. He writes a letter to the town clerk so that I can register my dogs. If your vet is resistant to your concerns, find another vet. They are supposed to work with you to develop the best/healthiest plan for your dog, not dictate.
Good luck with whatever decision you choose.
Lynn King CPDT-KA