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Skin issues, not itchy!

Bella started out at 9 months, with some postules on her back that crusted over, and the hair fell out. Vet put her on antibotics and a medicated shampoo 2X week. She cleared up, but as soon as the anitbotics stopped after 3 weeks, the postules started again. Then she tried a mild steroid for three weeks, reducing down to nothing as normally done. As  we went down the postules started again so far no hair loss.  Back to Vet and now are back on antibotics for a month, and on Rx Allergic food. Vet has done biospy and it came back normal. Today after two days on meds the bumps are disappearing. What on earth is this????  Vet is at a loss as well.

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Same problem

I have been back and forth to the vets about 4 times since March.  She says allergies.  We did scrapings all were negative.  Postules, scabbing and hair falling out.  The only thing I can do at this point is get the blood test done on him to find out WHAT the heck he is allergic too.  It just makes you want to rip your own hair out.  This year has been worse than any other for us with the allergies.  =(

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Has your Vet out yours on an

Has your Vet out yours on an Antibiotic as well?? The postules seem painful at times, as our Vet has us putting on Fuciderm Gel as well, which seem to really help last time.

Has anyone heard of or tried Allerderm Spot On? It seems new and was wondering if I should bring it to the Vet's attention.

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We have been on

a combination of steroids and antihistamines two rounds so far.  No abx because the scrape showed no bacteria or infection.

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 I found this on my looking

 I found this on my looking around, athttp://www.vetinfo.com/dpyoderm.html My dog, Sammy, is a 75-lb mixed breed. He looks like a Shep/Rotty mix. Three months ago he would yelp when I would touch a spot on his back; near and around his withers. When I took him to the vet, we couldn't do anything to reproduce this symptom. Accordingly, the vet prescribed Prednisone because he thought Sammy had a pinched nerve. My dog did not do well on Prednisone and I weaned him off it in about a week. About six days later I brought him back to the vet because his skin was flaking (dandruff) and he was diagnosed with a staph infection and given Ceflexin (sp?) which worked well. We didn't make any connection back then.

     Now, three months later, the same sequence of events has occurred. First the yelping -- the vet thought it might be bone-related -- and then the itch and scaling. We finally realized the pain he had three months ago was probably associated with the staph infection, just like it is now.

     What can be causing this infection, how can I treat it, and more importantly, is there any way to avoid it occurring in the future? Is it contagious to humans or other animals? He enjoys the local dog-park and I'd hate to have to avoid going there with him in the future.

 

Skin infections (pyoderma) occur as primary infections (no underlying cause) and as secondary infections to other diseases, especially allergies, parasites and immune system disorders. It can be very hard to figure out whether a skin infection is primary or secondary in some dogs. The presence of pain or tenderness in the areas that becomes infected, prior to visible signs of infection, makes the probability of this being a secondary infection a little higher, probably.  On the other hand, when the clinical signs clear up with antibiotic therapy alone, it makes a primary bacterial skin infection more likely  --- so essentially you have a toss-up going on and you and your vet will have to work through this over time to determine what is going on.

The biggest mistake that people make when treating skin infections is not treating them long enough. If an infection responds to antibiotics and then recurs, it is a really good idea to use antibiotics for at least 6 weeks and possibly 8 or more weeks, to try to eliminate the infection. If that doesn't work, it may be necessary to treat intermittently, or even to treat continuously, to control some skin infections.  Cephalexin is usually a good choice since most of the time these are staph skin infections.

It is a good idea to make sure there are no fleas, no mites (Demodex or Sarcoptes) and to pay attention to when the skin infections occur to try to see if there is a link to something, or if they occur the same time each year. This gives a hint about underlying causes.

I know of no evidence that staph skin infections from dogs are contagious to humans and there are only scattered reports in which vets worried over potential contagiousness between dogs. Most of the time these are normal bacterial residents of the dog's skin that just get out of hand because a particular dog has some problem controlling them.



Read more: Pyoderma (bacterial skin infection), Interdigital Pyoderma in Dogs
 




 

 

I also found this one that might help someone else as well as us.

Cephalexin Weekend Therapy for Dogs 

Pyoderma is a common dermatological condition in dogs, usually as a secondary illness caused by a primary health concern. In these cases, treating the primary concern will relieve the pyoderma as well. However, in some cases, veterinarians are unable to find a primary cause, so the pyoderma is labeled as "idiopathic," or arising from an unknown cause. In such cases, the goal of the veterinarian is to keep the condition from recurring, which is typically accomplished with the antibiotic cephalexin.

    A Study
  1. A study, published in Veterinary Dermatology, funded by Virbac SA, and titled "Cephalexin intermittent therapy in dogs with 'idiopathic' reccurent pyoderma," was conducted in 2004 by D. N. Carlotti, P. Jasmin, L. Gardey, and A.Sanquer. They assessed the effectiveness of cephalexin "weekend" treatment for dogs with idiopathic pyoderma. By "weekend" treatment, they referred to giving the antibiotic two days out of each week rather than on a daily basis. Before beginning the study, they determined that each of the 28 test subject dogs had a history of idiopathic pyoderma and had no underlying skin condition.

    During the first phase of the study, the test subjects were treated with cephalexin to cure their pyoderma, receiving twice daily treatment for a minimum of four weeks and a maximum of two to four months, depending on whether the pyoderma was superficial or deep in the tissues. Once all of the test subjects were cured, the study entered phase two.

    In phase two, a few dogs were removed from the study for various reasons, but the others were divided into a control and an experimental group. The experimental group, containing 10 dogs, received twice daily doses of cephalexin on Saturday and Sunday each week for one year. The control group of 13 dogs received a placebo. The veterinarians examined the dogs physically and scored them for clinical signs of pyoderma every two months during phase two, unless a relapse of their condition necessitated an earlier examination.
  2. Results
  3. The study found a significant difference between the two groups of dogs. Of the ten dogs receiving the cephalexin weekend treatment, two of them did not relapse at all during the one year period of the study. Of the remaining eight dogs, the average length of time before a relapse of their pyoderma was about 6.6 months. In comparison, the dogs in the control group had an average relapse time of 2.5 months, less than half the time of those receiving the weekend treatment.

    The authors of the study concluded that cephalexin weekend therapy was effective for dogs with idiopathic recurrent pyoderma.


Read more: Best Way - Cephalexin Weekend Therapy for Dogs | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/print/way_5421571_cephalexin-weekend-therapy-dogs.html#ixzz0swI1Mlh4
 
Jewels's picture

I was putting on her steriod

I was putting on her steriod cream tonite on her bumps, she is losing hair now as well, but her skin on her tummy has turned really black in just a week. It was dark before but it has really darken up. This is getting very scary, she's just a baby!

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Black spots

Do you mean pigment?  Is she white?  That is not a problem pigment comes out as they age, here is a picture of Onslow spots they show more in summer when his fur is thin.

 

If it is on her flanks, it could be seasonal flank alopecia - here is a link to an article on that - its cosmetic only not serious.

http://www.hilltopanimalhospital.com/seasonalalopecia.htm

 

 Lastly does it smell funny or is it scabby?  It could be a staph infection.  In that case go to the vet.

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It's the belly area that was

It's the belly area that was pink and white with a couple of normal black spots, it has turned totally black. She is Fawn with a touch of white. The first time she had an attack of this she darked under her chin  and arm(Leg) pit areas and around  her ears, I thought she was just maturing then, but this happened in just the last few days. Just a coincidence?

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Doesn't sound

normal.  I would call the vet.  =(  Sorry.  I have no idea if it could be a bacterial infection, staph or what. 

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I have a call in for her Vet,

I have a call in for her Vet, however she is off today. I am going to wait for mine, because she knows whats been tried and what hasn't, she'll be in tomorrow. She is not in any distress at all only when put the cream on her bumps, does she show any reaction, otherwise she is her happy self. Thank Goodness,  Thanks for your help, I will let you know how it goes.

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Good luck!

I hope its no big deal.  I just don't know.  Interested to see what they say. 

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Itchy feet now

Tonite she was after her front feet, and her eye folds are raw and very sore! She has a angry red pimple on her chin as well. The Hill's Z/D, allergy food, do you think that she could be  reacting to it? She's been on it a week and is getting worse. I feel like taking her off and putting her on potatoes for a week and then adding fish and see how that goes.

I looked it up on the dogfoodanalysis.com and it is a really poor food, and I am surprised the Vet's are even using it, unless  that site is very radical, does anyone know? It says that this one has two know carcinogens in it as well as sawdust as a filler!! I really hate to come down on the Vet, however I am her voice in there, unless I am jumping to fast and should let it go another week, and give the food a longer period. But one would think she'd be showing some improvement in a week not deteriorating.

What is the best allergy food do you all use??

Or could this be yeast infection from the antibiotics, in her feet and face? No sign of stomach or bowel troubles yet, though. 

I will be phoning the Vet at 8:30AM, I am not waiting for her to call me.

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Itchy feet (long)

are *usually* a sign of food allergies.  Some dogs have itchy feet from grass/contact allergies too.  Do you use carpet powder or harsh cleaners?  I stopped using those and went back to the basics using Vinegar/Baking Soda etc.,  All natural is best.  I googled all natural cleaners and found a ton of info to clean everything!  Mine is allergic to Tide Detergent - he broke out in hives.  So once I learned that I switched to Arm and Hammer Detergent.  You learn as you go.

I have tried many kibbles with my dog and we have had the best luck with a grain free food.  I have him on Taste of the Wild Venison and Bison.  We tried to make a switch back in December to Wellness, a single protein food and by March we started having problems.  It takes 3-4 weeks plus for the new food to get into the system - so it would take awhile to tell if there is a problem or not.  From what I've heard the food you are talking about is not good.  We've never tried it.  But if you ask me grain free foods are great for allergy dogs.  Many people on here swear by feeding raw.

Abx can certainly trigger yeast infections.  Some on here use probiotics to replenish the good bacteria in the belly.  I usually just add in a spoonful of plain low fat yogurt *with active cultures* into his food when he's on meds.  You could do either.  I hope your baby feels better soon it sucks to see them uncomfortable.  Yeast smells like fritos.  (we call it free-toes) LOL  If you smell that smell between the toes or wrinkles its probably yeast.

If you want others to chime in you could post a new question up top.  People tend to overlook the older posts. 

A good book to read is the nature of animal healing by Dr. Marty Goldstein.  I learned alot about dog allergies in that book it's very informative and it's easy to read.  All Patricia McConnell books are wonderful.  The Other End of the Leash is good for understanding your dogs behavior. 

You can also do a search on any topic and see what was said in the past by using the search tool.  I'm certainly not a pro but I'm happy to tell you about our experiences and what we've learned along the way.  =)

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Thanks, I will pick it up.

Thanks, I will pick it up. Bella is still at the Vet`s, I go in to get her in a couple of hours. However what type of steroid and antihistamine are you using.

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Vet feels a change of steroid cream

She changed up the steroid cream from Fuciderm to Viaderm, both have antibiotics in them. She feels it's too soon to rule out the food yet, another 3 weeks at least, just like you said, Onslowsmom. She said we have to wait to rule out that, and then we can start looking at an allergy to Staph. Felt that the smaller pustules were a good sign and didn't think the pigment was abnormally colored. Her face I am just to do the cream on it as well and start to bath twice a week again. I felt the last time; that and the cream did the best.  She is talking of entering her case to some site on the internet, and get other Vet's opinions.

 

I also ordered that book it should be here next week or sooner. I will let you know how it goes. Thanks so much for your help and support.

Colleen

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Sounds like Staph

to me.  What did the vet biopsy? Has she scraped and cultured for staph or another type of bacteria?

These vets just start throwing meds without determining what they are dealing treating. I guess they think all bulldog owners have deep pockets?

My vet doesn't treat anything blindly. He figures out what it is, and what kind of antibiotic (or medication) is best to fix it. I've had vets in the past that just started dumping antiobiotics into them and you were back 4 weeks later with the same problem. Over the past 4 or 5 years with my current vet I have not had to hand over my checkbook and say here...treat until I run out.

Good luck, but I would either find a new vet or pressure this one to scrape and culture the bacteria.