Hey Everyone...I just had a question about the whole raw diet. Do you think it is easier to feed your dog raw diet over regular dog food? I see that you just give a dog a whole raw chicken leg...aren't there concerns about getting sick from raw chicken or is it different for dogs? What about the bones...don't you have to be careful with them too? I haven't been able to read into the raw diet too much but I am considering switching my dogs over to is. Can you still feed them dog treats if they are on the raw diet? Also, I have two yorkies....would they be able to eat a raw diet too?
Jessica- Bronx, Harlem, Cali, & Jersey
Great questions
Here are some links
http://dogfoodchat.com/forum/raw-feeding/
http://preymodelraw.com/how-to-get-started/
Skasqueeeeeeakaaay!!
Katie & Chumlee
my answers....
"Do you think it is easier to feed your dog raw diet over regular dog food?" It is not as easy as scooping kibble and pouring it into a bowl but it is not overly complicated either. It is much easier to feed raw than it is to cook for your dog.
"I see that you just give a dog a whole raw chicken leg...aren't there concerns about getting sick from raw chicken or is it different for dogs?" It is not as easy as just giving the dog a whole raw chicken leg. That chicken leg is only one part of the total diet. Chicken alone does not provide all the nutrients a dog needs. You must feed a variety of meat. Beef, pork, lamb, eggs, fish, chicken, turkey, game hens, deer, rabbit -there are so many possibilites! You do not need to find every single protein source there is, but should aim at making sure you have a few, and red meat must be included. Secreting organs like liver, kidneys or pancreas. Raw bones. There are not concerns about the dogs getting sick from raw chicken.Their digestive systems are designed to handle raw meat. Their teeth are designed to chomp, rip, tear only, not pulverize. They have no digestive enzymes in their mouths. They have a very low acidic pH and food moves through them very fast. It is a good idea to start probiotics when you start raw because it will help their digestive tract achieve a healthy bacterial balance. You should not have to feed the probiotics indefinitely.
"What about the bones...don't you have to be careful with them too? " Yes you do need to be careful with bones. Raw bones only, never cooked. No weight bearing bones (legs) from larger animals as part of their diet. These are considered recreational only and not intended to be fully eaten. You need to watch your dog eat bones, then you can decide how you want to handle it. My husband chops Audrey's chicken bones with a meat cleaver, because she has a very difficult time with them. I have been relying on chicken only for bones and really need to find another source. It is not a good idea to only feed the same thing exclusively.
"I haven't been able to read into the raw diet too much but I am considering switching my dogs over to is" Dogs can really thrive on a raw diet, I highly recommend it! Read as much as possible. There is no one correct way to do it, but there are some guidelines that need to be followed to make sure you are feeding a balanced, nutritionally complete diet. It is really not very complicated, but you should be familiar with the basics and have an idea of what you need to feed before you get started.
"Can you still feed them dog treats if they are on the raw diet?" Yes, as long as you don't feed them something processed and something raw at the same time.
"Also, I have two yorkies....would they be able to eat a raw diet too?" Yes, Yorkies can eat raw too. The same basic principals and requirements will apply to all dogs, only the size of the cuts of meat will be different and the amounts fed. It will be GREAT for their teeth! And their coat.
Cathy and Audrey
i don't know if I could say
that it's easier, but it's alot more fun.
Kofi got bored with her Kibble, although I was feeding her a very good one.
My recommendation is that you read all that you can and then develop a system that works for you. It's really not that complicated.
I started by reading Raw Dog Food Make it Easy For You and Your Dog by Carina Beth MacDonald. That gave me the confidence to begin.
I have since developed my own system which continues to evolve. At present, I grind the chicken bones that I give to Kofi, except chicken backs (which I chop).
I give her lamb chops whole and pork ribs (the bones of pork are softer than the beef ribs, but she also gets beef ribs occasionally). She get's soup bones to chomp on once or twice a week.
I rotate between her ground chicken mixture which contains pureed veggies, apple cider vinegar, garlic and whatever I feel she may need in that mixture, and the ground beef mixture which I add raw eggs to with the things mentioned above.
Also chicken or beef liver a couple of meals a week or so.
In between days sometimes lamb chops, canned sardines, and she loves mackerel and canned salmon.
I really have no set routine. I watch her poop, and vary her diet according to what I feel she needs.
I probably have left something out, but you get the idea.
At first it seemed a bit awkward, and I proceeded cautiously. Now it's second nature, and quite natural to throw her a chickens foot for a treat.
I still give her Wellness treats, and she shares a few kernels of pop corn with me in the evening.
She's doing well on raw, and it seems to be the thing to do for us. There are many ways to feed raw, and I just chose to proceed according to what works for us.
I hope this helps some, and that if you decide to go raw that you relax and enjoy!
Hi Carol! I'd like to ask you a few ????
I have been relying on chopped chicken only for bone for Audrey and I MUST find another source. She had such a hard time with bone-in chicken breast I have been reluctant to even try anything else.
Have you given Kofi whole chicken bones so you can compare how she eats those vs the lamb chops (they do have bones right?) and the pork ribs? We gave Audrey a lamb shank and it took her FOREVER to get the meat off, and it was too big for her to actually eat the bone so we threw it away once the meat was gone. The reason we gave it to her was for her teeth, and she really did LOVE that thing!
When we first gave it to her she took it and dumped it on the living room rug (NASTY!) So I took it and made her stay on her bed with it, but it still would end up on the floor. I have an 8 month old baby that is crawling everywhere and puts everything in his mouth living in my house, I just can NOT have raw meat touching the floor.
When Kofi eats the pork ribs, does it take a long time, and where does she eat it? What abotuthe lamb? My husband Eric is the food shopper and he says lamb is so very expensive here, (it is actually LESS per pound for angus filet mignon than lamb here) I don't think she'll be getting much of it, but do you think the lamb chops are easier/harder to eat than the pork ribs? Do you watch her the whole time she's eating it? I know I have been feeding raw for over a year now but that one bad bone incident is making me paranoid. The whole bone part of feeding raw has always been the most difficult worry for me to get over.
One more thing, about the fish. I have been trying to convince Eric that we need to feed Audrey fish, but he's not keen on the idea. Is the mackeral fresh? Frozen? Bones still in it? I can probably convince him to try the canned fish, but still think she needs some fresh/frozen also.
Thanks Carol for your help!
Cathy and Audrey
Hi Cathy, and thank YOU
for all the help that you've given me.
You really know so much more than I do. I'm not at all sure that I'm doing everything right. I don't really know much about the cut of meats but for what its worth, here goes:
I have only had one bad scare about bones, and that was a turkey neck bone that Kofi passed that looked VERY SCARY, so I've not given neck bones. Even trying to grind them, they were hard to grind in my grinder.
The main source of bone for Kofi is chicken. I don't give her the necks and wings unless I grind them. I like to grind because I can add the garlic, vinegar and other things that I feel she needs.
When I give her rib bones, I give her a couple together and she does work on them awhile. I'm still not real comfortable with them so she gets them maybe once a month or so. I read the pork bones are softer, so that's what I've been giving. When I give her bone in one meal, I give the next meal beef or fish and then watch poops.
When I give her the rmb's to eat, I put a blanket down and she knows to eat on that. I wash it every other day. Our baby will soon be crawling too, so I try to be careful on that count. I'm thinking of using a tarp in the near future. She will not eat outside, so that was my only choice.
I have only given canned fish so far, and try to give it about once a week.
Lamb is expensive. It's just Kofi and me, so I do splurge from time to time. As you know, there are no suppliers in our area, so the biggest part of her diet is chicken and beef.
She does eat the lamb bones. So far they have been small, though. I always watch her the whole time when I give her bone in meat. She doesn't take nearly long enough to chomp as I would like, but she does crunch a few times before it goes down.
If I forgot anything, just ask.
I have learned so much from you. I believe you have a much greater understanding of raw. I've just been doing it the way that I can, and will have her blood work done regularly to see how she's doing.
She seems to be thriving, and it gives me pleasure to see how much she enjoys her meals.
Hugs to Audrey
Oh and one more thing, I have
not tried to give her chicken quarters or chicken legs. Somewhere in my reading there was a negative, so I've been afraid to try it. I may, though in the near future if Chumlee seems okay with them.
One concern I have about them
is that when he gets less bone the worse his poops are :( My GSP is doing so well and I have already had to add chicken breast to her meals because her poops were too chalky. I tried to give Chumlee a bedtime snack of a small hunk of chicken breast the night before because he had a hunger puke at 4am yuck and he had loose stool. Last night I picked up 26 lbs of pork that was on sale and it doesn't seem to have much bone it in.......Last time he had too much bone in his meals he blew his coat. I realize I made some mistakes last time on raw with not mixing up the proteins. He was getting chicken every day for meals with pork for treats and beef ribs on Sundays.
Skasqueeeeeeakaaay!!
Katie & Chumlee
for loose stools
have you tried an extra dose of probiotics? Chumlee may need a bit more than your other dog. It always worked for Audrey. Even after months of being on raw she would occasionally have looser stools and need extra probiotics.
I have never heard of too much bone making them blow their coat. That is very interesting! (we all learn from each other- love that!)
I have been using the same source for bone for too long now and need to give more variety.
Cathy and Audrey
Kofi is doing awesome!
I wouldn't say I know more than you, I just know Audrey! You know your Kofi and have done an awesome job making a feeding plan just for her.
Audrey eats mostly chicken and beef also. The last few times we got pork she got NASTY gas, and we realized all the pork at our local grocery store is enhanced. Eggs give her really bad gas too so she only gets those when I am feelong brave enough to deal with the smell.
I am MIGHTY tired of enhanced meat! The lamb is so outrageously expensive, it is only an occasional thing. Although Eric did go to Costco before Christmas and said the meat prices were better, and he got her a beautiful lamb roast for Christmas. Maybe he'll go more often. I really want to try lamb bones. I will probably end up feeding her in the bathroom on a towel, since we keep Miles out of the bathroom I won't have to worry as much about the raw meat.
I am going to give some bigger pieces of chicken bones a try again. Eric went on a week long business trip and didn't chop any bone for Audrey so now I have to deal with it. Last time I tried chopping chicken I cut my hand so bad! Me + knives = very bad idea.
Does the canned fish have bones?
I think I may try the apple cider vinegar for her tear stains. Do you get organic? Somewhere I read it should not be clear,but cloudy or something along those lines. How much and how often do you give it to her? Audrey gets itchy and smelly with too many starches so I can't do the veggies, I'll have to put it in her food.
Does Kofi still drink much water? Audrey doesn't seem to drink much at all and now only pees 2-3 times a day.
Audrey LOVES her meals also. She gets so happy when she sees Eric get out the knife sharpener, she knows it means MEAT coming soon!
Hugs to you and Kofi too!
Cathy and Audrey
There may be some bones
in the Mackerel but it would be minimal as in the canned sardines.
I actually got a couple of packages of lamb chops at Sams Club over the holidays. I wish I had bought some more. Kofi is about to clean it up. I watched her with a lamb chop yesterday, and she did work on the bone for some time before she swallowed.
I usually grind the chicken with bones because it is easier to have her food on hand that way. I always add raw chicken breasts to try to get about a 50 50 ratio.
I do break up the chicken backs with my cleaver, but it is not my favorite thing to do, but Kofi does enjoy chomping on those.
The apple cider vinegar should be raw and unfiltered. When I grind a batch of food, i.e. five or six pounds of meat I pour in about a half cup of vinegar. I try to use the most I can without her being turned off by the smell. Two or three garlic cloves help, since she loves garlic. I just add veggie glop for the fiber. I really don't know if it's necessary, but it makes the mix look more interesting to me.
She isn't a big water drinker, but I notice she drinks more after she has a RMB, such as pork ribs or a soup bone.
We haven't had too much trouble with gas, but she really eats very little pork. Rich liver occasionally given alone will drive me out of the room, though.
Happy eating, Audrey!
New to raw?
I am seriously considering the raw diet and have even bought my first "trial" from the pet food store but have not started it yet. Although prepackaged is not ideal, I wanted to give a try with some prepackaged raw before venturing out on my own and buying other meats and bones. My guy, Budda, has allergies and another issue which is being worked up (possible Cushing's). Because he also has allergy issues (both food and environmental), I would like to take the food problem out of the equation. Did you guys switch from kibble to raw? Did you experience problems with this switch? Have you noticed any change in your dog's overall health/skin/etc?