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Cherry eye came out with a litter mate bite:(

Okay, so my little Loca got bit on the eye by a litter mate.  So her cherry eye came out...this was last Saturday.  Well I have been putting a thick sensitive eye drop in her eyes and popping/masaging it back in.  Then Tuesday I think it was I was running around the house cleaning and I saw her cherry eye come out and I was going to sit down and do the drops & massage but wanted to finish what I was doing first.  I did not take that long but then the other eye cherryed out on me:(  So I massaged them both back in and they were good for almost a full 24 hours.  Then I had to wrk somewhere and was unable to attend to her for three days.  Her father was to tend to the cherry eye when I was wrking.  Well he insisted it was not going back in and I just did not have enough time to sit there and try for to long.  Well Im back now and got it back in, it popped back out then I put it back in she was up for about an hour after and now she's asleep and it stayed in.  So my question is surgery?  I had it planned in the morning but she is only 14 weeks old and I just don't know if I like the idea of her going under.  Plus I keep hearing about the stitch one, the pocket one and the cutting off one.  I just don't know what to do.  Should I wait?  Or should I go to the vet tomorrow and just get drops to see if I can keep it from coming out again?  Oh and the second cherry eye has not came out in at least 2-3 days.  She does not like being held down putting the cherry eye back in and squirms so I just feel so bad for her..

Cherry....

....you should be able to massage it back in fairly easily, and quickly so she doesn't need to squirm too much. Try not to hold her head--they resist that just like a baby does. But, if it's staying out more than it's it, it will need surgery. Good luck!

......meant to say

if it's staying out more than it's in, it will need surgery.

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Older girls?

Can you use the massaging technique with an older bullie?   Mine is 3, and about once a week, I see it starting to come out, but it goes back in.   I had no idea you could do anything, other than surgery! 

Older girl?

I don't think you have anything to be concerned about if it goes back in. If you want to massage it in, using antibiotic eye ointment or severe dry eye ointment makes it easier, but it really isn't hard, and once you do it, you can do with one hand!

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Our first bulldog had cherry eye...

at 13 weeks and we had it surgically fixed.  I've heard that removing the gland works well, I've even heard of some vets that do that procedure without anesthesia (Dr Kinear in Staten Island NY is one).  Our guy had his tacked and it never popped out again.  It sounds like the pup will need some kind of help if it pops out that frequently.

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That dry eye freaks me out though..

I made an app with the vet to talk about the different surgical techniques she might offer.  I know of two just not witch exactly it could be the "Conjunctival Mucosa Pocket Procedure" which creates a pocket to place the prolapsed gland inside and then the pocket is closed with very fine absorbable opthalmic sutures. Or to merely suture the replaced gland again with sutures.  Or the removal of the gland(I know she has this one).  She a VERY active bully so I wonder if she will be the 20% the sutures will not wrk for... I also am not sure if I will be spaying her so I figured I could do them all at the same time.. More questions for my vet I guess...  I wonder if anyone has noticed if the ones that don't wrk are for active bulls?  How is yours?  They sutures worked for your bull is he active?  My girl is nuts (just like mom)  that is why we kept her.  Bella used to run up the way literally...

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Oh by the way as far as the

Oh by the way as far as the bit goes it was not that serious or she would have ben at the vet RIGHT AWAY.  It was just enough to bother her eye and pop her cherry out..

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And one more thing her tear

And one more thing her tear staines have started ever since this ordeal is that strange?  They other do not have this problem.

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Our guy had...

the tacking procedure where they go down into the cheek and tack it.  Unfortunately he passed away a few years ago, but he never had any problems with it.  There is a lot of talk that removing the gland causes dry eye, but from what I've read, it's not really been proven.  If I had to do another pup, I would go for the removal.  

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Oh okay I will have to read

Oh okay I will have to read some more then.  I have not read about the cheek one or about the proven dry eye...  My friend got her bullies tacked down and her dogs eye is droopy now:( its realy bad looking.  I wonder if that is something else..  I asked her if hers got it cut off and sugested it might be dry eye and she said no.  She used Dr Butcko and said they sutured it.  But its super droopy like a can barley see her eye.  I just don't want that happening to my Loca..

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I've heard really good things about Dr Butchko...

is that where you will take her?

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Yes, and no... My

Yes, and no... My Breeder/Mentor highly recommended Dr Peterson in San Diego CA.  The Breeder/Mentor has been so helpful and just seems like he knows allot so we went with her for the C Section.  I asked him about the cherry eye and he says to go with her as well.  He says she does beautiful wrk and that when I bring her home I will not even notice the surgery had been done...  And yes I recommend Dr Butchko as well and he does good work too... Im kinda just asking questions for now. Id like to know how they do the operation and when there success rate is.  Also is cherry eye inherited?  I was thinking of spaying her idk...

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We have experience with two different procedures for Cherry Eye

Our first bulldog Rocky developed a cherry eye as a puppy. At that time our vet whom is a very highly respected bulldog specialist leaned towards the "snip" or removal.  Procedure took less than one minute, no recovery at all and within a few hours his eye looked completely normal with no complications.  As he got older he did develop a bit of dry eye in both eyes but did not think it was any worse in the eye that had had the snip than in the other  one that had nothing ever done.

Harley also developed a cherry eye the day we were driving to pick him up.  Same vet but now he prefers the "pocket" technique.  Had the surgery,  a few days of difficult recovery  as it was obviously irritated and he wanted to paw at it a bit.  We were initially very discouraged as after a few months it still looked red and swollen.  It actually took several months but now although we can tell the difference in that eye it is barely noticeable.  He is still only 2 1/2 so don't know how this will be as he gets older.  Shortly after having the first eye done his other eye started to occasionally "pop" out. Noticed it would do this more often when he was being quite active.   We had read about massaging it back and were able to do this quite easily.  Gradually, as he got older it came out less and less.  Lasted for a few month with us massaging it back and since he has been about a year old it has never popped out again. 

It is a tough choice but based on our experience I think if I ever had to deal with this again I would first make every attempt to massage it back but if that did not work I would probably go with the snip.

Good Luck with whatever you decide!

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What a little cutie you got

What a little cutie you got there!  Is there ANY good local vets around the South Bay area that deal with bulls and is reasonably priced?   I still need to go to the vet to check out her eye.  Its still healing from the bit...it's not bad but I still want it checked out.  Im going to try to massage it in longer but Id like to get something for her eye to heal quicker..  I have a vet I can go to around here but I don't think they know to much about Bulls.. 

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Cherry Eye

I have yet to have a puppy with cherry eye in 15/16 years but IMO it is inherited. But if you are planniing on showing this bitch, she is of nice quality, health and temperment I would not rule out breeding a bitch that has had cherry eye.  It is a minor problem in the whole skeem of things. If your intention was to buy a pet, not show, then have her spayed.  I think you are fine with Dr. Butchko but if your breeder/mentor is recommending another vet and you feel comfortable with either and both are convenient I would stick with what your mentor is suggesting. 

I personally would have the gland removed. I have yet to hear of dry eye related directly to cherry eye surgery, and these guys tend to get dry eye at a later age anyway.  I have heard that the tacking and pocket procedures are not always successful and have to be done again.  I would prefer to not take that chance and have to put the dog under twice for something that could have been taken care of once.  There are some vets that will not remove the gland (stating it is unethical).

Best of luck!

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Thanks for the info everyone!

Thanks for the info everyone!  Her cherry eye only came out because of the bite though.. I wonder if that would still qualify and being passed down..  She was a hold back from my litter...  We were planing on possible breeding her once but she is a very good looking pup she was the largest in the litter when born,  Huge head nice little body a ton of wrinkles... she looks like a boy almost..  Looks like the removal seems like the way to go...what about the other eye? I would not want to remove the other cherry eye and be missing two glands?  They other cherry eye came out from the pressure from the bit I think.  But that one went in and stayed in for the most part, I have only seen it twice.  Should I do the both of them or just the one?  Also, question for everyone off topic.. I had a boy I sold to a lady that had a Bully a few weeks ago and now she no longer can care for it:(  I am so upset... She works to much and he is VERY needy.  If anyone has had a similar situation that can help me out that would be great.  Contact me privately...

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UPDATE!! Well, Dr Butchko

UPDATE!! Well, Dr Butchko Prescribed some eye drops and her eye is barley being pushed back in.  He showed me the correct way to put it back in.  He like popped it back in with more pressure then I would have thought..  I was being super gentle and that was why it took so long to put back in... He almost looked like he was poking her eye out!  But I guess it looked worse then it was..  Im going to go back in a month or so if it keeps coming out.  But he did not suggestion tacking down unless it will not go back in.  And as for the dog I wanted advice on, we bough him back...and now think we are keeping him.... He is one of the best look bulldogs I have ever seen, granted I have never been to a show yet..  But he looks like a full grown small bulldog (head huge, arms,paws) and he is only 14 weeks old.  I wish I had the time to show him...  I also feel bad for him to be placed again.  At least he was only there a couple weeks.. Im going to join a bulldog club I think any suggestions??

Be patient, surgery is probably not needed!

Our boy Dudley developed cherry eye in both eyes early on at around 4-5 months of age. I had my vet demonstrate how to manually push the gland back in (it's very easy, just make sure your hands are clean) and that is what I did whenever the gland popped out. Initially, I would have to do this several times a day,then several times a week and over time it became less and less frequent. If the gland is difficult to replace, it is likely because it is inflamed due to an infection which should be treated with antibiotic drops. As the inflamation is reduced, the gland will be easier to replace and will stay in longer. Just be patient, continue to replace the gland when it pops out, and over time as your dog continues to mature he will likely grow out of needing it done.