Is a 33% protein content food
Submitted by MacknTeaBoneTil... on October 2, 2010 - 6:51amtoo much for a bully? Acana wild prairie was recommended for till
as an answer to her yeast issues. Looks like a great food. All natural,
Canadien manufacturer but is it too much for her kidneys? She LOVED
the sample and sure seems to have more (if you can believe it!) energy.
Thanks!
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Mack 'n' Tillie Mae Mack
attitude is altitude!
For me, personally, that is very high amount of protein.
Be watchful on that high of protein....if it isn't a really active animal, the protein will build up in the kidneys and cause problems. I just put Sophie on new feed and was cautious of the protein level. I won't even feed higher than a 12 percent protein to my horses because they aren't all that active and I worry about them having serious issues with their organs.
Maybe you can have her kidneys tested now to see where her numbers are, then again in a month. That will tell you how they are processing the protein. Good luck to you girls:-)
Amy and Sophia
my thoughts
also. i will chat with my vet also. thanks for your insight amy. hugs to the soph and friends!
Mack 'n' Tillie Mae Mack
attitude is altitude!
that depends on what the source of the protein is
it's not the percentage of protein that causes kidney problems, it's how HARD does the body have to work to get USEABLE protein from the source in the food. Animal protein is easiest for dogs to digest, and plant proteins are very hard for dogs to digest. It's plant proteins that make the body work so hard that causes damage to the kidney's.
Here is a great article that explains it well:
http://www.dogfoodproject.com/index.php?page=protein_myth
Cathy and Audrey
just read that.
very good article. acana is chicken, wallyeye, and whitefish. they claim all the ingredients are fresh and never frozen. very interesting dilema wouldn't you say?
Mack 'n' Tillie Mae Mack
attitude is altitude!
Check into
Salmon vs Whitefish...
I'm really sorry I don't remember full details but I remember reading somewhere about issues.
Skasqueeeeeeakaaay!!
Katie & Chumlee
I am also looking into grain free food and most have very high
protein levels. I have looked at Instinct (Natures Variety), also Orijen. I just noticed that Calif Natural has one with less protein probably due to using more meal. Any thoughts? My dogs are on Prairie Salmon and doing well but I wanted to see if grain free might be better. Also, I have always had them on fish based food. Will the chicken or beef be a problem or should I stick with fish.
I just started Sophie on California Natural.
She is doing well on it, but I only started her 3 days ago:-) But some of the issues she was having are starting to look a tiny bit better, but we will have to wait and see. I also am VERY cautious with protein levels, and 24 is generally as high as I will go. Maybe 26 if it is a really good food, but I just won't risk anything more than that. I looked at Orijen and Wellness Core and also one other I can't remember, and the protein levels were outrageous. Orijen and Wellness Core were 40% and 39% respectively. WAY TOO HIGH!!! The store owner was just going on about how great those two foods were but when I told her I don't have a Field Spaniel or hunting dog that is totally active 24/7, she looked at me rather blankly. I told her I have a couch potato (no offense to Sophie!) and she moved maybe once every two hours, and why in the WORLD would I want 40% protein. She didn't even have a clue and she is the store owner for crying out loud. So I went with California Natural Chicken. I don't know if I will like this food, but Sophie sure does for now!
Amy and Sophia
Sample bag?
If you go to their website and fill out the form they will send you a coupon for a free bag of food. When I was researching different kibbles they sent me a coupon but you have to use it at your retailer that you selected. I got mine in only a few days.
https://www.naturaadvantage.com/coupons/new
Skasqueeeeeeakaaay!!
Katie & Chumlee
Cooper is on Orijen red 38% protein
I know the protein is high but they claim it comes from red meat and not plant proteins. He loves it and is very picky. It is expensive I pay $47.00 for 15 lbs . I would love to feed raw but still looking into it.... the whole protein thing was confusng to me also because feeding raw is basically all protein,
Right?
nope!
I did answer you above but the type of protein really is far more important in how their body handles it. Raw is very easily digested, their body does not have to work too hard and does not get overtaxed. It is also mostly moisture, which is vital to proper digestvie function. Kibbled protein, even if it is an animal source, is much harder to digest. The extreme temps used to manufacture kibble alters the proteins so much from their natural state it hardly resembles the original anymore, and many dogs do have issues digesting it. Some dogs have allergic reactions to certain kibbled proteins, but handle the raw, natural version just fine.
here is an example of the changes to meat raw vs cooked. And these are not cooked at the super high temps that kibble is manufactured at, but a home broiler. I just randomly typed in "raw lamb chops", the "lamb chops". Look at the difference in the protein in the raw vs cooked, and the cholesterol. ALL the vitamins , minerals, etc values change when you cook it. Which is NOT a bad thing, it just alters it. It alters it chemically, structurally also. The point is, you can't directly compare the protein from the RAW sources, to a COOKED version of it. And the dog food label is going to tell the the percentages of the raw ingredients. Once those things are super cooked, everything changes, and the final finished values are NOT on the label. Most specificially is the amount of meat. Once that meat is super heated and the moisture is taken out, (remember, the link I sent has NOT been kibbled, where 90% of the moisture is taken out, but broiled, where only 7% of the moisture has been removed) there is NOT much left of that meat. That means the other, non meat ingredients are in reality MUCH higher than the label makes you believe.
http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/cgi-bin/list_nut_edit.pl
http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/cgi-bin/list_nut_edit.pl
Cathy and Audrey
Taste of the Wild just came out with a lamb grain free food and.
it is 24% protein, the same as their salmon/sweet potato. We're putting Chester on the lamb to see how he does. Their roasted fowl is higher, about 34% I believe.
Orijen 6 fish
I put Mr. Higgins on it for a grain free diet and loved the ingredients. It had very high protein, I forget, maybe 33%. He had heartworm test and blood profile a couple of months later and his urea and creatinine were quite high. I had to put him on a kidney vet diet right away, but now have him on Natural Balance light, low protein. Vet will do more bloodwork after he`s been on it for a month. I am sure his kidney values will be o.k. No way for vet food for the rest of his life.
A little high
IMO for a bulldog. My grain free "Now" is 26% I believe and I'm happy with it. It is made by Petcurean also a Canadian company.
I feed Natures Domain grain free it's 24% protein.
nm
We feed Orijen and Acana....
They are made by the same company. Deuce has been on Orijen Regional Red for almost a year now and we just found a place close to our house that sells Acana so Oliver has been on that for about 2 months now. Oliver's poops have never been better, I am very pleased with it. He did not do well on the Orijen, I think it was too rich for him. We also tried Wellness Core and it was better but still not great poops. Like I said now with the Acana he is great. He is on the fish one. We have been really pleased with their food and I know quite a few bulldog people that feed it and are also very happy with it.