I'm sincerely asking for your opinion here.
My friend has purchased a bulldog which was guranteed by the breeder to be a top of the bloodline Show standard bulldog which cost him US$3500.
My friend knows nothing about bulldog but he's a passionate lover of the breed. He bought the baby happily and raised him with all his love and effort.
Yet the little puppy seems having difficulties growing no matter how much he ate.
Now my friend feels suspicious as of whether this baby was really bred by the Sire and the Dam the breeder claims. But the breeder refuesed to show him the AKC DNA report and my friend's offer to pay and bring all of the three dogs to an international verified DNA test lab for a gene test...
My friend's been really confused and not sure what to do.
Could anyone here please kindly give your suggestion?
Oh,one more thing,my friend did asked for a swap 1.5months after the baby's arrived his home. But the breeder asked for another US$850 for the swap and my friend denied it 'cause he thought the breeder was trying to rip his pocket off.
And there were conversation between the breeder and my friend on the growth of the baby. My friend asked the breeder how in his professional breeder opinion that this baby is growing. The breeder's reply was,he's looking good. You're raising him great. Now it's just the embarrassing period,this bulldog baby will grow into a Showdog standard. But now the breeder is blaming my friend on the feeding issue...
My friend fed the baby with dried dogfood,beef and egg.I want to ask all of you if the diet not good enough and would be the main factor stopping the baby to grow properly.
This incident happened in Shanghai,China. The breeder is Cappo Bulldog Kennel which's owned by an American whose name I'd keep private for the moment.
Both the sire and the dam was imported from U.S.A. one of which is Am. Ch.
I really hope you guys could give my friend some help here.
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Thanks!
Attachted please find the puppy's photo now,7months old...
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AKC papers
If your friend has the AKC registration paper on this pup (which I assume he does), the DNA cert. number is listed under the parents' names. I'm assuming he can contact AKC, get a DNA kit and have the pup's DNA checked against the parents'. He needs to take this directly to AKC, as they are the governing body that will determine the pup's parentage, if indeed both parents are DNA verified.
As for the pup, if he's being fed a commercial food that's deemed complete nutritionally, he should be ok. Some pups go through a terribly awkward stage. This baby may be at that stage. Yes, unfortunately some gorgeous show dogs produce very nice pet quality pups. That's why a breeder should NEVER guarantee show quality.
my thoughts
The Breeder is trying to sidestep your friend's question about DNA Certification. ANY reputable US breeder will show you their dog's DNA info, so his clain of it being the 'American way of doing things' is crap!
If you can't get the breeder to provide DNA samples to prove the pup's parents....maybe since he got his dogs from the US then his dogs' parents still in America have been DNA Cert. and a link can be established?
I also agree with what some of the others have said, 7 months is a very awkward age for a Bulldog pup, he may grow up to be wonderful, he may not. But for a Breeder to claim it will become a Champion when it is just a pup is not realistic.
i think..
the breeder is in China and so is the buyer. I am reading that the breeder started with two US imports then sold the other fellow the puppy as a guaranteed show dog.
Lesson number one;
Do not ever buy a show dog.. you buy a show *prospect*, unless it is already mature.
Lesson number two
Even the best bloodlines can produce pets.. they do all the time.
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why
Is your friend from China? If so, well then I guess it makes sense to purchase your dog in China, or from a Chineese location.
If not, why would you purchase ANYTHING, directly from China, let alone a dog. Would you buy 5 pounds of sugar from China? Would you buy an Elvis CD from China?
Sure, there's tons of products imported from China, and many of them are sitting in our households right now - because they were sold at Wal-Mart or Target, and they were really cheap. But to purchase something directly from China, at a premium price - that's another level.
I hope your friend loves his dog, and he gets years of happiness from him - which is all any of us can hope for a new dog. Maybe in time, that dog will grow, and be the champion bloodline dog your friend had hoped for.
On the next go around, I would suggest that your friend checks with some of the breeders reccomended by this board first, before you go shopping in China. Lastly, at $3500, you should be able to at least see the Dam or Sire on site prior to purchasing, and whichever one is not available, you should be able to call the owner for verification if you feel it's necessary....
Again - I hope all goes well with this dog in the future - all bulldog hearts are big.
Great thanks
Great thanks to you~
I'll ask the AKC then
I have no idea..
Sometimes puppies get a slow start and get behind...eventually they will catch up..Some lines are slower to mature and you have to be patient and wait...NO reputable breeder guarentees a puppy will be Show Quality..And any reputable breeder will give you DNA ID numbers. I think you can run a DNA on the pup yourself..Write the AKC and request a DNA kit...Also I think you can check up on the Sires and maybe even the Dams DNA info through the AKC..
Kelly
Whitehills Bulldogs
http://www.geocities.com/kellywhitehills
btw
my friend is chinese,he spend $26000(appox. US$3600) for the dog which was guranteed to be show quality.
now my friend simply request the breeder for the DNA cert of the sire and dam which sounds logical and acceptable when the customer has doubt and request for a check,right?
and the breeder denied and said the owner of the kennel(who's an american) is reluctant to do that and claims they're ACTUALLY an AMERICAN Kennel so they'd do it the american way and rejected the customer's request....
I doubt this is how the American breeder deals with the new puppy's owner cos I've spent some of my years living in the States myself.
I hope you guys could tell me how would you be doing if such situation comes to you?
Please advice.Thanks
Your professional opinion
Do you think the puppy worth the price? and could possibly grow into a show standard?
unfortunately
I do not think there is anything you can do..I wouldnt buy a dog from anyone in China..They are a cut throat bunch and I know of several horror stories from over there..Strike it up as a lesson learned and move on..
Kelly
Whitehills Bulldogs
http://www.geocities.com/kellywhitehills
Sorry,I've posted to the wrong session!
Please the admin,would you delete this post?I didn't recog this is the show forum.
Thanks and sorry~
gotcha
well - if they are both in China, I would agree with your points.
In this case
the breeder gives 100% gurantee to my friend and charged him that much...and now even refused to show DNA cert. Should it be suspiciously considered as deceive?
Can my friend ask AKC for help in any aspect?
I understand very well the fact that even top bloodline produces pets,but the breeder shouldn't be reluctant showing the DNA cert given the baby was bred by that sire and dam,right?
My friend is living in China
and he's chinese. He bought the baby from a Kennel in Shanghai,the PIC is a Taiwanese but the kennel's owner is an American.
Both the Sire and The Dam were imported from the U.S.,my friend did see the parents prior his purchase and he has strong faith in the breeder's words. But now the pup is experiencing the awkward period and my friend simply asked the breeder to provide the parent's DNA Cert which are already there(Both the dogs are AKC reg.) but the breeder refused... And the breeder now blames my friend for not feeding the baby well.
My friend feeds the baby with dried dog food,minced beed and egg. Is it good enough a diet for the baby?
Please comment.
And I myself live in Hong Kong.My friend in China doesn't know English,so,I'm asking on his behalf.
I think it's ridiculous that the breeder refused to show my friend the sire and dam's DNA cert issued by AKC and the breeder claimed STRONLY that this is the AMERICAN way of dealings. I strongly DOUBT that cos I've been on this forum for quite some time and I thought American breeder is nothing but trustworthy,repsonsible and serious dog lovers!
Thanks y'all for the help!
DNA.....
both Sire and Dam...must already be DNA'd to check for pedigree. For instance....if the stud is DNA'd and the Dam isn't ...well then good luck, you will not be able to verify it. You would have to go on persons word....