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Submitted by Anonymous on April 20, 2010 - 9:47pmRing around the rosy
A pocketful of posies
"Ashes, Ashes"
We all fall down!
Oh I'm sorry I thought I was sitting in a classroom of 5 yr. olds...
When is this nonsense going to end? Every other week, something new starts, sparks fly and the fire ignites into an explosion.
I'm not taking sides and don't care to know any details. This mess doesn't belong on a public forum. Most of these types of things don't belong. This is between the main parties involved, the breeders, the buyers, their legal reps and the BCA. This is no one elses business. I hink it is pathetic that you all are lowering yourselves to this level. I wonder what people are thinking that are thinking about starting to show or joining the BCA. The same Club that we all seem to want people to join. We encourage people to do research and become involved. Things like this will scare people and make people run as far away as they can.
I find it quite ironic that not all that long ago, there was another one of these "incidences" where some where questioning the BCA Breeders Code of Ethics..some were listing possible changes that should be made and requirements to be meant. How funny that now, when the BCA takes action on information that they obviously felt was valid, some of the very same people bitching about this current "incident" are now jumping the fence???
Why are so many people, people that are not even involved,nor do they have any immediate relationship to the incident getting involved?? This isn't our business. Leave it alone. Right or wrong, whatever happened, this is a personal issue. This has nothing to do with the upcoming election, this has nothing to do with anyone elses breeding practices, this has nothing to do with people being removed from positions, and this has nothing to do with selling dogs overseas. As always once that flame ignites, things get way off track and before you know it what started as a small spark, soon becomes an explosion.
Soon there is name calling, and he said, she said..and were not anywhere better then we were when it all started. Just lack of self respect, intregrity, self worth, a few slaps on the wrist, name calling, a thread is locked or removed and guess what..were still at the same place in the end..Is it worth it? Do we not have better things to do with our days, in our lives, with our dogs then this bull****?? Thats exactly what it is Bull****! If people spent 5 minutes of the 10, that it took to make the name calling, bashing post...and sat and read the standard, did some research, read a book, looked at a pedigree...whatever...we may just have some better dogs in the ring..or a great educational topic to discuss instead of this neverending nonsense.
It's quite obvious we have people that don't like each other on a personal level..who cares!! And as always we get those "name-less, poser, anonymous" posts..not the innocent ones, but the ones that always seem to show up right when the flame is burning high. The ones that know so much about everything, but funny enough can never contribute that wealth of knowledge when theres a great educational post going on..or for that matter even a "Congrats" on a brag or new litter post..kinda funny huh?? The same kind that always seems to pick fights and continue to antagonize the same 4 or 5 people every single time. For what?? Do you get off on it?? You must..you must love hurting people, causing constant conflict. It must make you feel good inside knowing you have said or done something to hurt someone. Only really what you say and do is truely irrelevant. People behind masks or fake names have no credibility, so while you may feel real good about your actions, anyone with any sense could care less.
Instead of everyone worrying about what went on in this incident, that doesn't concern ANY of us, maybe we should worry about what our own dogs can and have produced and what we can do to make it better. What kind of health testing can we initiate to try our best to prevent possible situations like this one. What kind of recommendations can we submit to our Breeder Referral or Health Coommittee. What can we do to "suggest" ideas or change. Suggest, not demand. Also if you don't believe the By laws are correct, or for that matter any of the items then why belong to a Club that you don't agree with? Because there has been an awful lot of stone throwing, accusations, criticisms and demands that really lead to nowhere.
Is all this type of mess what you are really proud to belong to?? We read so many posts about how great Bulldoggers are..in fact many other breeds admire Bulldoggers, and the way Bulldoggers have camaraderie. Many breed Clubs are falling apart..is this what we want?? We are one of the very few breeds left that are predominately owner/breeder handled..we take pride in that. And while some cry politics, politics in our breed can't hold a candle to so many other breeds out there. If you think we have it bad...talk to some other breed owners. Let's not allow ourselves to be lowered to such a level. 
Just-LoneStar Bulldogs
lets face it, human competitiveness usually wins out and
and with the cost of entries, travel, etc. its hard not to be hurt when we lose. I must admit that for the most part, the people i have met on bdw and have met in person like Lorraine E. are good sports and embrace newcomers to be the same.
Mike and the bullies
Lorraine!!!
yoru correct, she is a super nice gal always willing to help and a true sport...
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Re: I can take pride in . . . .
Im also proud of the true professionals, who can step up. Or as others said, pull out of a death spiral. Lets get back to our gentle beautiful bulldogs.
Perserverance isn't a long race.
It's a series of short races,
ran one after the other.
http://www.GlitterMaker.com/> -
Well, my names spelled "Barbara"-hehe!!---
Thanks Don!!
Well said Barb
Heck, thought I would never make that statement(Barbra is the X's name,grrrrrr).
Stay positive! Our dogs do!
Perserverance isn't a long race.
It's a series of short races,
ran one after the other.
http://www.GlitterMaker.com/> -
Being a total newbie in the ring, I must admit---
that I have recieved a lot of encouragement & help from people who have been in bulldogs a LOT longer than I have. I look forward to going to the shows for the competition & to socialize with decent, good people.
For the most part, I think bulldoggers are respectful of one another & supportive as well. However, human nature being what it is, there will always be personality conficts & some that disagree with the ethics of others, but for the most part, I feel most bulldoggers really are wanting to work on improving their lines, because they love the breed and care for the future of our beloved bulldogs.
I just feel bad when things get so out of control on message boards regarding incidents that shouldn't be exposed for all the public to see-it really can ruin reputations, & there's always 2 sides to the story, & the opinions differ from each persons' viewpoints & feelings in the situation.
I can take pride in . . . .
The fact that I can start out alittle over a year ago with no experience and a male with as much or less ring smarts as his handler, and within less than a year, with some help from good bulldoggers, both old and new; as well as some discouragement from others both old and new, that only fueled my passion to work and bring about results. To have that "Wild Child" as Mrs Herbel called him to become the calm ring savvy little pro. THAT I AM PROUD OF!!! To have someone take a chance on us and allow us to take thier treasures into the ring, not because I have clout or pull, but because we (Kim and I) don't(and won't) give up. To be able to be acknowledged for the hard work and dedication to "give them the best" THAT I CAN BE PROUD OF!!! To be included in camradery at a show, where there are over 200 champions bulldogs represented by thier owners. To be able to ask questions and be given valuable answers. To be told that if we need to call at 3am, don't hesitate. THAT I CAN BE PROUD OF!!!! To be asked questions from fellow newbies and others who are just curious about the breed, and to be able to give them accurate information, because I paid attention to what I have been blessed to recieve: knowledge, from the more seasoned vetrans. THAT I CAN BE PROUD OF!!!! To shed a tear when I hear that one of our bullies has gone to the rainbow bridge. To feel the kick in the stomach as I read about the loss of an expectant momma, and emergency C-section performed by the owner in the back yard to save the babies, knowing that if called to do the same, I would. THAT I CAN BE PROUD OF!!! To be a member of AKC, BCA and the OKCBC, THAT I CAN BE PROUD OF!!!!
Most importantly, to have a wonderful wife, who even though she doesn't get the accolades that she well deserves, should be placed on a pedestal, for enduring the rigors of being a bully momma. The early mornings of walking the dogs, feeding, helping manage the bills and prep everything for the next show. Who, even if its really aweful, films our ring work and has atleast one nice thing to say. The most devoted person to our goal, that is to eventually become ethical breeders of a great line of Bulldogs, Kim, I CAN BE PROUD OF HER !!!!
The rest of you should search your hearts and see if there is something you can be proud of. Let me know, on here, or in person. Cya in the ring!
Perserverance isn't a long race.
It's a series of short races,
ran one after the other.
http://www.GlitterMaker.com/> -
Re: WAIT!!!!
"However, what they don't know is that many are fake and sit on fences and will hop to the side that benefits them the most at that particular time. Yes, we clap for each other at the show and then later, at the same show, talk badly about the dog or the owner or the breeder behind their backs."
Jay, I agree that this does happen,and yes it does happen in every breed, for that matter every sport or competition. It's human nature for most to be competitive. And with that comes the bad side quite often. I'm not sure though it's really to reap benefit, how does one benefit from being fake? As far as ringside clapping or saying "congrats" on a win, if it doesn't take place, then someone will be complaining about that later that day too. I am sure you have lost to a dog that you don't feel is worthy for whatever reason, or you dont care for the owner or handler maybe even a dog or person that you have made comments about yourself to someone at one point, but you on that day said Congrats to the handler/owner. We all do it, myself included. Because if we don't then we are displaying bad sportsmanship.
People can deny all they want and try to act innocent, but we are all guilty of doing this kind of stuff. But how it is displayed is a different story. I only have experience in a few other breeds and friends with other breeds or handlers, but for the most part I do think Bulldoggers are still a step above what most are. I have been to two other breeds National shows and other specialties where the people show and go..there isn't much hanging out or talking with each other, no personal talk of their lives outside of dogs. What talk there is, is mostly vindictive stuff. Small cliques of local people..not allot of people friendly with others in other parts of the country. I think many Bulldoggers have wide spectrums of friends from all over. Many look forward to Nationals for example just to visit with people. In our area Boxers for example are cut throat. Frenchies are a whole different story. Breeders come right out and tell you they don't like new people. Maybe I am naive, but at least in Division I, I don't see this happening in Bulldogs. We also have the goofy nonsense things happen, but for the most part people do get along and they do try to work together. Dog show friends become very close friends outside of the ring on a more personal level.
Just-LoneStar Bulldogs
Re: WAIT!!!!
Nikki,
I agree with you for the most part. As I've said in the past, many of these are no one's business except those involved.
The thing about Bulldoggers that other people from other breeds don't know is that from the outside looking, we are great and all that good stuff. However, what they don't know is that many are fake and sit on fences and will hop to the side that benefits them the most at that particular time. Yes, we clap for each other at the show and then later, at the same show, talk badly about the dog or the owner or the breeder behind their backs.
Having spent time with people from other breeds, I don't think we as Bulldoggers are really any better.
Jay