looks like Esbilac is much closer to moms milk then goats milk...and I would think it is much easier to find in the store.

Thanks for sharing the comparison.

The formula I am using is 11 calories per cc and the ingredients are...

1 can goats milk
4 oz. pedialyte or bottled water
1 cup of whole milk yogurt (No Nonfat)
1 egg yolk
1/2 tsp. karo syrup

Blend all together and formula stays good for about a week.

Laurie


LaBonte Bulldogs

i know several who do, 1 person has a goat just for milk for puppies.


Vicky,
Bosco, Bella, Breve' & Holly

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told me that goats milk was the most easily digested. As long as it is just supplementing them I see no harm. By the way the vet that told me that was Dr Fedorko, a well known Bulldog vet back in the 50s and 60s here in NJ.

I have never tried fresh goat's milk, but we do use condensed goat's milk.

We have used a milk replacer formula developed by UC Davis's Veterinary College that has worked well for us.

1 12 oz can condensed goat milk
12 oz of Pedilyte
1 TSP liquid pectin
1 egg yoke (no whites)

Blend well

Also by viewing his reference, you can see just how important Fat is to a puppy, and the amount of calories that are derived from the fat that is produced in the bitch's milk. Also, it is evident that the maker of Esbilac thinks so too.

The Esbilac powder form does have vegtable oil as the first ingredient. The liquid form has water as the first ingredient. Once the powdered form of Esbilac is reconstituted, it has water as the first ingredient. There is a science to water balance and there is a reason water is the main ingredient in Esbilac. Luckily, oil follows closely. Oil is the plant form of lipid, in which triglyceride enters the body. Triglycerides are better known as triacylglycerols in the scientific community. These triacylglycerols are the main form in which lipid is ingested. The triacylglycerol molecule is made of an esterfied glycerol and three fatty acids. These are then broken down further by lipases and bile secretions. Once they have been broken down, they are then packed into lipoproteins for transport and eventually the body can use the free fatty acids as an important source of energy. Luckily fat (which happens to be in the form of vegtable oil), which is a precursor to these molecules is very energy dense. It contains 2.25 times as much energy per gram relative to carbohydrate and protein (which is dramatic). Since the daily maintenance requirements of a puppy are ~72kcal gross energy per kilogram (which are also impressive), it makes sense that oil would be listed relatively close to the top of the ingredient list. Also in the defense of lipid, triacylglycerol is the same molecule no matter if it is derived from animal or plant fats.

1. Puppies need energy
2. Lipid (Fat) is the main source of energy
3. Triacylglycerol (Triglycerides) come from Lipd (fat)
4. Oil contains a lot of triacylglycerol
5. Oil should be at the top of the list

great poops, not much smell and no upset bellies.

It's all waht works for you and the puppies.

I dont like that the espilac starts off with Oil as the first ingredience, and i cant say 90% of the others.

Vicky,
Bosco, Bella, Breve' & Holly

www.LangagerBulldogs.com

PHOTOS ARE PROPERTY OF LANGAGER BULLDOGS, YOU MUST HAVE WRITTEN PERMISSION FOR ANY USE OF THESE PHOTOS FROM LANGAGERBULLDOG.

I have a goat dairy 1/4 mile down the road . I tryed fresh goats milk on 2 litters .
Always hearing how great to was . I was not impressed either time . It went right threw them and VERY smelly ..lol
Esbilac has done a MUCH better job everytime... FOR ME , they gain weight better and better stools with Esbilac .
More normal to what they are like with mom's milk.
I have 2 cases of ebilac at home before I have a litter .
And the goats milk is 1/10 the price . But I dont like to worry about the pup's.

is best but the supplements created especially for specific breeds is the next best thing. Companies spend $$$$ in trying to make a formula "closest to Mom". Feeding a pup goat's milk is not going to hurt it (unless it is allergic to goat's milk) but nutritionally it is not the best.

Miriam Olesen
http://www.omegabulldogs.shutterfly.com/

From the book:

Canine Reproduction, The Breeders' Guide
2nd Edition
Written by Dr. Phyllis A. Holst, MS, DVM
Copywritten in 2000, published by Alpine Blue Ribbon
page 170.

Jay

Why not use Esbilac? Is the goats milk more beneficial?



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