thats unreal... I had no clue..lol, gezzzz.


kristie

I think this term gets (incorrectly)interchanged with politics too often. Many people win because they are familiar. It's like a brand name.
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e

have always wondered about that aswell??

http://www.ThunderBullies.com

have always wondered about that aswell??

http://www.ThunderBullies.com

how can you judge dog A vs dog B with out really knowing both breed standards

That has always stumped me!

Yes judges in Canada can judge BIS when they do not have all of their Group licenses.
Very sad.

when you come up with an acceptable answer.. please share it!!!
I don't get it either.
I think they figure by the time you judge one group you will be able to pick a Best In Show winner from a group of 7 dogs.... "trust the job of the group judge" in other words.
And people wonder why I am not impressed with this stuff...
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I could never understand how a person who judges BIS could know all the standards for each and every breed that comes before him/her. Taking it a little further, handlers have shown many good dogs and also sub standard ones but still have won because of the familiar face concept. After breeding and showing St. Bernards for thirty years I feel qualified to say that far to many dogs obtain titles that are not deserved.

Mike and the bullies

E,

I was always told that being licensed to judge 2 Groups was the key. Interestingly, different judges have given me different information! I just went to the AKC website and I couldn't find anything definitive but I did see a "Flow Chart" that stated that one could apply for Best in Show judging eligibility should one be on Regular status for ONE Group and having judged that Group at least 5 times. A call to our Rep or one of our previous Reps may be in order.

Jay

Thanks for your input and the information.
However it works it just doesn't seem right.
Even if I can change the oil and wiper blades in my car, and can tell you the make and model, doesn't make me an auto mechanic.......bad analogy but the same point.

In my opinion it's hard enough for us breeder (not me yet)/owner/ exhibitors to understand our own standard and strive toward it nevermind a judge who's not licensed in our breed at all to judge it fairly.


Paula~

I thought it was one group?
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Kristie,

To be honest, I don't know what the requirements are for the Canadian Kennel Club as far as which judges can do Best in Show. There are many more judges that are not licensed to judge the Group, any Group, than those that are. For example, there are only a handful of Bulldog breeder-judges that can judge the entire Non-Sporting Group. I believe there used to be more in the last couple of decades. We just lost another since she decided to go on "emeritus" status.

This is off-topic, but several non-Bulldog show friends have commented to me many times that "back in the day" Bulldogs were going Best in Show "all the time." In the last couple of years, Bulldogs have gone "Best" more than any other in my short time in the Breed. I don't recall a year where 8 of the Top 10 were Best in Show winners. Is it the cyclical nature of dog shows? Are there specific reasons why they were winning Best more in the past? It's interesting to think about.

Jay

apply in ckc shows?? I didn't think so. On panels of permit judges, or ones only with certain approved groups I don't think I have ever seen them judge a BIS? Only the groups or breeds there licenced to do. I know I've shown to one that didn't even judge the group because they weren't finished going through all the dogs yet. ??


kristie

Paula,

You'd have to ask the AKC your question to get a definitive answer but I do know that a judge that is licensed to judge 2 Groups is then qualified to judge Best in Show. One needs to be licensed to judge every Breed in a Group to be qualified to judge that Group. There have been changes very recently about how many breeds a judge may apply for at any given time and in the last couple of years there have been changes to what qualifications a judge needs to be approved to judge.

There are just under 30 individual judges that are licensed to judge every breed recognized by the AKC and a handful of them do not judge anymore. How someone could judge a Bulldog that is not licensed to do so in Best in Show is an interesting question. I have encountered this scenario more often than not, unforunately.

Jay

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when does it mean when the judge is listed as "provisional"? I know it means they are new at judging. But it is just provisional for that breed or judging as a whole? So my next question is...these guys can judge Bulldogs and that same day go and judge Nonsporting group? Is that what the origioanl question was?

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