were blindsided by this, i know many would not condone any of this and have specifics in contracts against this type of action. Once a dog/bitch is out of your house, you have little control unless it is fixed before it leaves.

I for one sold a dog on a co-ownership, filled out the papers, and AKC registered the dog after the new owners took my name off the papers and changed the dogs name. AKC will register a litter w/o the stud dog signature. Online registration is very nice for all, but not all bitch owners have to sign anything or be notified of the registation.

You can do refrence checks all you want, get referrals. Today someone might be eithical and things change in a week or so, htey are down on luck or money and do things that are not ethical. Some are great sales people and feed you a line of bull and it comes out way to late.

I feel awful for the dogs, but AKC gets money from this. BCA will not get involved in contract disputes. The code of ethics for breeders in BCA is against selling puppies to auction, mills or petstores. Has nothing against selling semen.

Vicky,
Bosco, Bella, Breve' & Holly

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And his name is in the BCA directory. What a shame he has done to the bred for the almighty dollar! SHAME SHAME

IF there are BCA members involved in this Puppy Mill Auction they in my opinion would be involved in unethical behavior that is prejudice to the Breed and the BCA.
These members should have a formal complaint sent to there Division Board, by a BCA member, and the appropriate actions taken per the BCA Constitution and Bylaws!
Ward McAfee

If you click on "view catalog", it will show you the breeder and the seller. I think a list of the sellers need to be sent to BCA asap.

from what I understand they are aware of rescuers and do all they can to keep them out. They don't want these dogs to be rescued, they dont feel pitty for them.
I have heard stories of armed guards and everrything at these places.
e

Just a heads up to everyone and the BCA. You can't control what happens after you sell the pup, even with the most iron-clad contracts. The stud owner has even less legal control.

Bulldogs are getting to be big business.
The questions are:
1. how do we dry up the $$ that make this process worth everyone's while?
2. How do we make the BCA have some teeth on the ethics and membership? Somebody sponsered these people into BCA
3. We can't buy these dogs, it just gives them more $$ and incentive to breed more...the auction company LOVES it when the rerscue people from ANY breed show up...they get a higher $$ per dog that way.
4. What do we do about the AKC support of these people? Puppy mills are big business for the AKC too.
JMO
Diana


"Small minds discuss people, great minds discuss ideas"

Aargh-it's SOOOO frustrating!! =(

this is all so sad. There must be something that can be done. I'd contribute to a fund to buy them.

I hope there will be rescue representatives there to take the ones that don't sell. I'm sure there will be some too sick or old or frail that nobody wants.

Has been doing Puppymill sales for years. I take a look at their site every couple of months and they usualy have a couple of bulldogs going through the auction monthly.

THis is the first Bulldog Only sale and they are advertising it all over the Midwest. From what I am hearing the Amish will be there to pick up breeding stock as they are getting to be VERY big in the Puppymill business. they sell their pups for $500 with no papers so they do not come under AKC or any other registry scutiny.

The problem is the WHOLESALE price of a bulldog puppy on Pet Board of Trade...another wonderful Missouri institution (an online auction for pet stores to buy from millers and run by the same wonderful people who do United Pet Registry and the "Gold Ribbon" certification for puppy mills and another great MO BCA MEMBER) is $1100 to 1500.

As long as there is a market for the puppies, there is a business for the Puppy mills.
Its all about the $$$$$$.
Diana


"Small minds discuss people, great minds discuss ideas"

I screen,check references etc... as best I can AND ask anyone with pups out of my dogs to do the same, both in writing and in contract form BUT this **** still happens.


So what the hell do we all do? I am not going to buy dogs at auction, it does not solve anything but this is infuriating, depressing and words fail.

J

BCA Rep and he is calling to see what can be done, some of these dogs are out of Mousers and he is calling them personally, this is completely screwed up.

when I get home from Vegas I will try to track down exactly who these bitches are who are supposed to be out of Angus. Unfortunately people do break contracts and or break them by not declaring all co-owners or by selling puppies to individuals who my contract would exclude. Retail/broker and auction sales are NOT allowed in my contracts.

If any breach of contract has occurred I will provide copies to the Division involved to help go after the individuals involved.

Total nightmare and as E says, Disgusting!

J

If anyone wants to get to the source of the problem can of this auction can call Mike Young,the idiot that is selling most of the champion sired dogs at 417-345-2596 or 417-818-5656. I wonder what he would do if everyone called and told them what they thought of what he is doing? I doubt it would make him change his mind because he is after the $$$$$$$$$$$ but it would make his live miserable for a while. You can dial *67 to block your number if you want to be annonymous.

we need to send a copy of this catalog to the BCA..and letters too! If we can fight legislation and everything else..then we certainly can fight this. This involves legislation and also rescue..and what about how this makes BCA members look in general?? Several of the "sellers" and "breeders" are BCA members. This is total BS!!We can't complain and Biatch about back yard breeders and puppy mills and not fight against people that are listed as BCA members doing the same thing.


Just-LoneStar Bulldogs

you would hope so., but I am not sure how it would happen.
e

nm

this is tragic. These poor dogs are doomed. Not much anyone can do. From what I understand, rescues cannot afford to outbid the millers anyway. These dogs will sell for thousands of dollars each.
Sad
e

Grounds for suspension?

is that the public announcement by the auctioneer?!!
I can only imagine the type of people that will be showing up for a good deal!! ((((Sigh))))!!!

here is the worst part...
AUCTIONEER’S NOTE: We have the rare privilege to sell out ***two excellent quality kennels*** in this sale.

***One kennel is totally an AKC show kennel, with many Champions, Champion Sired/Dammed & CH Pedigreed English Bulldogs. These dogs have excellent health, confirmation & quality. ??They are truly some of the best I’ve seen.?????

The other kennel is a **show & USDA licensed kennel** . They have French & English Bulldogs with many Champion Sired/Dammed or Champion pedigreed dogs. They have been professional breeders for many years. The quality of their dogs is unsurpassed by any in the industry.
***They have made their dogs their life and have been an extremely profitable kennel.

**The other dogs in this sale were by invitation and will be unrelated and complimentary to any you may purchase in this sale.

******This is a great opportunity to start a Bulldog kennel*****
or add some unrelated dogs to your program.
**We may not have another chance to see so many wonderful dogs in one sale. The Bulldogs are the top price dogs whether you are a show kennel or a professional licensed kennel. Puppy prices can range from $1,200.00 to $10,000.00. Where else will you get the chance to bid for the right to own an AKC National Champion Bulldog. I hope to see you here, Bob Hughes

I am speechless!!!!





Lorraine
If only I was as good a person as my dogs seem to think I am!
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I emailed them as a prospective buyer. Also, you can fill out an absentee bidder's form and fax it to them and they will place bids for you.

This is all so disgusting. I feel so bad for all these dogs.

I can't remember where I saw it. It may have been a story in The Bark Magazine. A couple of rescue workers went to an auction with cash and the intention of saving as many dogs as they could. They described the whole experience in detail. It was even hard to read the story.
remember they said when they first arrived, as they were going through the parking lot, they saw a dog sitting in the back of a truck with a note on it saying "free dog." It was one of the ones they rescued.
It would be so difficult to go to an auction like that and not show any emotion. I am glad there are people who are willing to put aside their feelings and do something.

over teh years, especially in the last 3-5 you see more dogs being registered by non AKC places than by AKC, I have seen this over and over again, and increases all teh time, reasons, akc raises teh cost to much, other registrys are cheaeper, if suspended from akc, they go there,etc,etc, while all OF US KNOW you cant have a reputable show outside of AKC, teh pedigrees are better and certainly documented over generations and more complete and accurate, teh point is it dont matter to them, that is of no value and usually not to the buyers, so there is no weight by using AKC, sad but true.. to most buyers that is, not people who know better or want to show, but the vast majority of owners are pet owners, like 88% in a study i saw last year, buy only for a pet and of those 60 % coudl care in teh least about who registres it.

a walk thru your local pet store you will find 100 puppies, of them, 90 will not be akc, look in a big paper on sunday, half wont be akc, its a trend rising fast sadly!!

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and i will send a letter, all involved there neeed to be out of bca.

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there have been published stories about people who have gone undercover into these auctions. People who go in have to hide all emotion. No, they don't announce that they are rescuers, those are not even allowed in, they have to be completely covert and hope they are not found out. Like I said, there are stories of armed guards.
This is big money.
Its bad.
e

I don't think they should be wearing their rescue logo Tshirts. There are ways to sneak in.

they just want a bulldog. Im not kidding they are willing to pay 3k for a bulldog w/o papers.


Crap they pay 5k for a bull/pug/boxer mix. Some people are just stupid

Vicky,
Bosco, Bella, Breve' & Holly

http://www.rubarbsoap.com/
PHOTOS ARE PROPERTY OF LANGAGER BULLDOGS, YOU MUST HAVE WRITTEN PERMISSION FOR ANY USE OF THESE PHOTOS FROM LANGAGERBULLDOG.

akc needs then to make money. Its a bad situation, they know it, but they lost a tremendous amount of money when the new registries were created by those who were suspended by AKC. They realize that in order to stay in business for you and me, they need to resister these dogs too. Besides, as we all sadly realized, there are some champions listed there in the immediate background of these dogs. As long as the owners comply with their record keeping protocols and they are not busted for animal abuse/neglect, AKC cant do anythng. Besides, MO endorses these auctions, you can't even go to the state legislators to stop them.
e

I think this is apalling. In the very least, the AKC should remove the papers on all these dogs to make them worth less money!

Perhaps this will help take the money out of these types of sales.

If anyone is starting an effort of any sort, please let me know. I will gladly help out to prevent this type of sale of a bulldog!!

Rebecca

Rebecca "Georges Mom"

www.SaxtonBulldogs.com
www.Flickr.com/photos/SaxtonBulldogs

Could you pass along the site address...I would really like to see further this unbelievable act...I may need to just go down for a visit.

As I read through this, my mind goes into search mode...for a larger, bigger way to stop tings like these auctions.....If you look at the big picture, it goes back to educating the public, the portion of the public that wants a "real/true" looking bulldog....some don't know where to even look for such a thing!!! Some of the public end up at the auctions, because they seem to think they can not afford a "real/true" AKC bulldgo, so they intend to buy the next best thing for less money. This is where we come in....we need to touch all parts of the pet world out there to let the public know where to find reputable breeders of the AKC Bulldog. and where do we do this??? Where those look for their interests....maybe the internet, maybe local newspapers, magazines!!!! The more we put the "right"information out there for the public to see, the more it will sink in that the AKC and the BCA is the ONLY place for them to find their "real/true" looking bulldog.

As my time frees up in the next year or two, I would love to help more with this BCA goal....meanwhile, what are the other thoughts out there...because surely, we are not going to be able to stop the auctions...and as stated in an earlier note...it is going to get worse with the AMISH puppy millers...they are terrible near us!!!! 200+ dogs on each property!!! UGH!!!

I am new to the BCA, but not new to bulldogs and it has taken me a LONG time to get to this point through very selective breeding and choice of breeders I work with. I could have taken the easy route and bred my bitches back then to whomever would let me...but my mentors gave me many reasons not to...and one main reason was to become an ethical BCA member for the betterment of the breed!!!!!!

I am appauled, as well, as I thought we ALL were of the same standard and we ALL watched out for each other's dogs and to whom they were getting bred to...of course, bear in mind, that possibly the owners of the these top AKC sire's may have been thoruoughly lied and cheated to, regarding the bitches their sire's semen was going to....It probably can happen...unfortunately, a few will always fall through the cracks and it is our jobs to fill those cracks to prevent any further damage.

Let me know what I can do to help!!!!

Maybe I could just take a trip down there myself!!!!

of the BCA though if he is 'getting out' of bulldogs I guess the point is moot as he should not be trying to renew his membership....those poor dogs and all the poor people who trusted him to use their good bulldogs.
That is my biggest nightmare...having one of my dogs show up in the pedigree of a puppy mill puppy. So far, and probably forever, I have only bred my dog to my own bitches or to people I know and live near me and I know they sell on spay/neuter contracts...which, of course, does not prevent anyone from breeding w/o papers...though the only 2 people who I have allowed to use him keep in close contact with any puppy buyers...I still keep in touch with folks who have Atlas' brothers and most of the other pups I have produced...my email is jammed a lot with pictures which I adore ... but if you breed on a bigger scale it would be nigh unto impossible to do that and pay that kid of attention to your pups...even if you are as picky as I am about pet homes.
Sigh!

Lorraine
If only I was as good a person as my dogs seem to think I am!
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I copied and pasted it directly from the website!

Lorraine
If only I was as good a person as my dogs seem to think I am!
Find us on:
www.karismakennels.com

I work in social services and I see so much evil in so many on a routine basis.

That's why I love going home to snuggle Bulldogs. My son, even as a teenager, was insightful enough to recognize my emotional connection to my dogs and understand how it came to be.



My motto:

"People suck. Expect the worst and, if it doesn't happen, you can be pleasantly surprised."



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It's all about money, no matter what angle you look from.

There's probably people working for AKC that don't even LIKE dogs, but they fit into the corporate structure nicely.

I'm glad there's so many of you that do well with your show dogs, and I'd be excited to be in the same situation .... but do dog shows really do anything significant and important if AKC/BCA turns their head to these other destructive practices that are based only on money? (Recognizing that dog shows are a steady funding source for AKC as well.)

Corporate greed sucks.



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