very nice!

Rhiann @ Butlerbullz

very nice!

Rhiann @ Butlerbullz

Love her front!

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Love her front!

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Kristie....you of course know how much I love this bitch....she does indeed have a lovely front amongst other great traits
Thanks for finally posting her pic for everyone else to appreciate

Kristie....you of course know how much I love this bitch....she does indeed have a lovely front amongst other great traits
Thanks for finally posting her pic for everyone else to appreciate

Shoulders: ...Slanting outwards. sorry, my interpretation of slanting was angulation. I was speaking of the A frames versus what is actually meant in the standard, I believe, was turn of shoulder. A Bulldog that has an A frame has a tight, or pinched gait, as though stepping on eggshells. The drive should be straight, and show ease in movement, but tight shoulders result in a herky jerky motion. Certainly not the standard. The turn of shoulder, that you illustrated, on the other hand, gives the Bulldog a more stable platform to move with. Sorry for the confusion. As we see, there are many ways to interpret.

Shoulders: ...Slanting outwards. sorry, my interpretation of slanting was angulation. I was speaking of the A frames versus what is actually meant in the standard, I believe, was turn of shoulder. A Bulldog that has an A frame has a tight, or pinched gait, as though stepping on eggshells. The drive should be straight, and show ease in movement, but tight shoulders result in a herky jerky motion. Certainly not the standard. The turn of shoulder, that you illustrated, on the other hand, gives the Bulldog a more stable platform to move with. Sorry for the confusion. As we see, there are many ways to interpret.

Thanks so much for providing illustrations, Elizabeth! They really add to your comments.

Thanks so much for providing illustrations, Elizabeth! They really add to your comments.

The part that trips up alot of people, both exibiting and judging, is the slight angulation part of the standard. I first thought that it meant that the dog should stack up like the straight-sided latter A. But upon alot of observation, it seems that the desired "shape" is more of a rounded top A. This would help accentuate the elbows and the drive during the gait.

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Don,

The only reason why I am asking this is because you are confusing me a bit and I want to make sure the people who are afraid to ask are not confused too.

Slight angulation in relation to front ends?

Also...in trying to understand your point of view, clarify what you mean by "drive during the gait"..

Get any image of an "A" out of your head..reference the pictures in my post..my dad always called tight fronts A-frames!

Thanks!

The part that trips up alot of people, both exibiting and judging, is the slight angulation part of the standard. I first thought that it meant that the dog should stack up like the straight-sided latter A. But upon alot of observation, it seems that the desired "shape" is more of a rounded top A. This would help accentuate the elbows and the drive during the gait.

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Don,

The only reason why I am asking this is because you are confusing me a bit and I want to make sure the people who are afraid to ask are not confused too.

Slight angulation in relation to front ends?

Also...in trying to understand your point of view, clarify what you mean by "drive during the gait"..

Get any image of an "A" out of your head..reference the pictures in my post..my dad always called tight fronts A-frames!

Thanks!

Bulldog has a front unlike any other breed.

If you are confused about the part of the bulldog standard that says"...elbows should be low and stand well out and loose from the body..." statement, compare to the boxer standard; "... The elbows should not press too closely to the chest wall nor stand off visibly from it..."
Bulldogs are not "out at the elbow"



The difference between correct and too straight is pretty obvious.
Too many people are so overly concerned with poker straight legs and poker straight movement that they forget type.

Bulldog has a front unlike any other breed.

If you are confused about the part of the bulldog standard that says"...elbows should be low and stand well out and loose from the body..." statement, compare to the boxer standard; "... The elbows should not press too closely to the chest wall nor stand off visibly from it..."
Bulldogs are not "out at the elbow"



The difference between correct and too straight is pretty obvious.
Too many people are so overly concerned with poker straight legs and poker straight movement that they forget type.

Another feature being lost to the straight terrier fronts. This feature IMO is one of those that makes a Bulldog a Bulldog.

Another feature being lost to the straight terrier fronts. This feature IMO is one of those that makes a Bulldog a Bulldog.

I do like to see a well structured front. The part that trips up alot of people, both exibiting and judging, is the slight angulation part of the standard. I first thought that it meant that the dog should stack up like the straight-sided latter A. But upon alot of observation, it seems that the desired "shape" is more of a rounded top A. This would help accentuate the elbows and the drive during the gait.

Perserverance isn't a long race.
It's a series of short races,
ran one after the other.

-In memory of Casper

I do like to see a well structured front. The part that trips up alot of people, both exibiting and judging, is the slight angulation part of the standard. I first thought that it meant that the dog should stack up like the straight-sided latter A. But upon alot of observation, it seems that the desired "shape" is more of a rounded top A. This would help accentuate the elbows and the drive during the gait.

Perserverance isn't a long race.
It's a series of short races,
ran one after the other.

-In memory of Casper

You simply have to admire our breed for most of its characterictics as compared to the majority of other breeds. The forequarters are no exception to that rule. Bulldog forequarters are not like most other breeds. How do we differ from most breeds?

Harrold
www.majorleaguebulldogs.com

You simply have to admire our breed for most of its characterictics as compared to the majority of other breeds. The forequarters are no exception to that rule. Bulldog forequarters are not like most other breeds. How do we differ from most breeds?

Harrold
www.majorleaguebulldogs.com

Its been awhile since I've shown another breed and when asked to... I had a hard time setting the dogs up. the width and depth of chest, and legs underneath the other breeds instead of set on the side are what stand out to me. What I have noticed is the lack of upper arm in some bulldogs, and wanting to see the top of the shoulder to the point of shoulder equal distance to the elbow, with allot of for chest in front of that while young. I really like the front outline in my puppy, I can pick her up under her chest and set her down and her feet land perfect without adjusting her. There are other things I'd change but I like her front assembly.

Its been awhile since I've shown another breed and when asked to... I had a hard time setting the dogs up. the width and depth of chest, and legs underneath the other breeds instead of set on the side are what stand out to me. What I have noticed is the lack of upper arm in some bulldogs, and wanting to see the top of the shoulder to the point of shoulder equal distance to the elbow, with allot of for chest in front of that while young. I really like the front outline in my puppy, I can pick her up under her chest and set her down and her feet land perfect without adjusting her. There are other things I'd change but I like her front assembly.