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Zoey is now balding, too!

I apologize for all of my posts on here lately - it just seems like when one thing goes wrong, everything goes wrong - and I hate to see either of my bullies in any kind of pain... so any advice here would be VERY MUCH appreciated!!

I was in our vet's office yesterday with our bulldog Zoey for an appointment about her swollen right eye. We left with a diagnosis of a Corneal Ulcer. Since then, I've researched online and have learned that there are 3 stages: corneal erosion/abrasion (being just the erosion through a few layers of the epithelium), a corneal ulcer (erosion through the entire epithelium, as well as into the stroma), and then if it makes it through both of those layers into the Descemet's membrane, it could result in the membrane rupturing and her eyeball collapsing. I've also learned that it is a judgement call when deciphering between the stages since it can be difficult to tell visually.

I fully trust our vet, but am still worried about Zoey's eye. We gave her all of her eyedrops last night (2 antibiotic and 1 pain reliever) and again this morning... but she absolutely hates getting them and I'm worried about (1) the stress that we're causing her by putting them in there, and (2) us further irritating her eye by "fighting" her and trying to hold her eyelid open. Additionally, it's a possibility that her ulcer is deeper than we thought. That being said, I'm wondering if there's anything else we can do to help her heal more quickly. I imagine that the fastest way for an antibiotic to reach the eye is to put it directly on the eye, as we are attempting to do with the eye drops. But is there anything in addition that we could do, possibly orally? It just scares me to think that her eyeball could be close to rupturing - I want to do everything I can do to prevent that from happening.

As far as the balding is concerned, I mentioned to our vet yesterday that Zoey sheds an awful lot and seems to have dry skin - I asked him if there was any lotion or anything that I could put on her. He told me that if she's not balding in any spots, then I don't really need to worry. Well don't you know that this morning when I was rubbing her side, I noticed a balding spot! I tried to attach a picture, but it's not working! (You can email me if you really want to see it). It's not completely bald, but it's certainly balding! What can I do about that? I'd be happy to take her back to the vet again this afternoon if necessary, but as you know it can get very costly. I'm wondering if there's something I can get to help moisturize her skin, if that is in fact the reason for the balding. If you think there may be another reason for her balding and think that I should take her into the vet, then I'm more than happy to do so.

Thanks again for any help/advice you can give me! I truly appreciate it!

No bumps...

We've been feeding them Innova Evo for awhile, and we've never really had any problems with it. We started with the fish oil capsules in their food yesterday, so hopefully that will help. My vet also has a bath/moisturizing spray that I'm going to pick up today, so hopefully that will also help. I don't notice any other spots, so hopefully we'll get her nice & moisturized before any other spots start balding.

Thanks for your reply! happy.gif

No bumps...

We've been feeding them Innova Evo for awhile, and we've never really had any problems with it. We started with the fish oil capsules in their food yesterday, so hopefully that will help. My vet also has a bath/moisturizing spray that I'm going to pick up today, so hopefully that will also help. I don't notice any other spots, so hopefully we'll get her nice & moisturized before any other spots start balding.

Thanks for your reply! happy.gif

she will be 4 in December

Thanks, Lori... looks like

we should be okay without having to find one in our area... she seems to be healing well so far! fingers crossed

she will be 4 in December

Thanks, Lori... looks like

we should be okay without having to find one in our area... she seems to be healing well so far! fingers crossed

Thank you!!!!!

Ela1ne,
Thank you so much for the reply! I do have to begin in my vet's defense. When we went, we had our other bully with us (Rosco) and I don't know what got into him, but he was super-excited and was breathing extremely heavily, and even got diarrhea from all of the excitement. I typically don't leave the vet's office without an understanding of what's going on - and he did try to talk to me more, but with the situation being so stressful with Rosco, I just had to get him out of there. Thank you for your concern though - everyone should have a vet that they can easily communicate with.

Okay - so we've got the fish oil and we gave them each one yesterday and one again this morning.. we'll continue that - thanks!

Zoey's eye seems to be improving already! She has it open more and seems to be feeling much better - so hopefully after today's medications we'll really see improvement! I called the vet yesterday and her ulcer is at the very beginning stages of even becoming an ulcer - we caught it early (thank God!) I truly had myself a nervous wreck at work all day yesterday thinking that her eye could have collapsed while I was there and I was going to come home to a horrible scene. (Maybe I'M the one who needs to be medicated!!!!!) I just put her morning eyedrops in (thank you, also, for telling me the recommended way! It was a little easier - but she's just naturally going to give me a hard time, I suppose!) After I put them in, she paws at her eyes, so she now gets eyedrops & about a 10 minute "hiney scratch" session so that she doesn't focus on the drops and doesn't paw at her eye!! happy.gif

Thanks again for the replies - I always learn so much on this site, and I appreciate all of the time that everyone puts into helping others! I'll keep you updated! happy.gif

Thank you!!!!!

Ela1ne,
Thank you so much for the reply! I do have to begin in my vet's defense. When we went, we had our other bully with us (Rosco) and I don't know what got into him, but he was super-excited and was breathing extremely heavily, and even got diarrhea from all of the excitement. I typically don't leave the vet's office without an understanding of what's going on - and he did try to talk to me more, but with the situation being so stressful with Rosco, I just had to get him out of there. Thank you for your concern though - everyone should have a vet that they can easily communicate with.

Okay - so we've got the fish oil and we gave them each one yesterday and one again this morning.. we'll continue that - thanks!

Zoey's eye seems to be improving already! She has it open more and seems to be feeling much better - so hopefully after today's medications we'll really see improvement! I called the vet yesterday and her ulcer is at the very beginning stages of even becoming an ulcer - we caught it early (thank God!) I truly had myself a nervous wreck at work all day yesterday thinking that her eye could have collapsed while I was there and I was going to come home to a horrible scene. (Maybe I'M the one who needs to be medicated!!!!!) I just put her morning eyedrops in (thank you, also, for telling me the recommended way! It was a little easier - but she's just naturally going to give me a hard time, I suppose!) After I put them in, she paws at her eyes, so she now gets eyedrops & about a 10 minute "hiney scratch" session so that she doesn't focus on the drops and doesn't paw at her eye!! happy.gif

Thanks again for the replies - I always learn so much on this site, and I appreciate all of the time that everyone puts into helping others! I'll keep you updated! happy.gif

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She really needs the meds in her eyes

Trust me, none if them like eye drops or ointment but ulcers are very painful and that could be one reasons she is fighting you. Maybe you can try to put some of the drops in while she is asleep or if you have someone who can hold her while you put in the drops. I always feel like I need three hands when putting drops in their eyes. Two hands to pry open the eye and one to put in the drops.

As for the balding, feel all over her back and sides and see if you can feel any bumps. What are you feeding her? One of my girls hair started falling out when I fed her Royal Canin bulldog formula.

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She really needs the meds in her eyes

Trust me, none if them like eye drops or ointment but ulcers are very painful and that could be one reasons she is fighting you. Maybe you can try to put some of the drops in while she is asleep or if you have someone who can hold her while you put in the drops. I always feel like I need three hands when putting drops in their eyes. Two hands to pry open the eye and one to put in the drops.

As for the balding, feel all over her back and sides and see if you can feel any bumps. What are you feeding her? One of my girls hair started falling out when I fed her Royal Canin bulldog formula.

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How old is she?

How old is she?

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Kelli

here in nc I have an opthamologist that works with animals.  Maybe you can find one.  He is absoluteloy amazing in what he does.  When I go to him, I can relax, knowing that he is the best of the best.

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Kelli

here in nc I have an opthamologist that works with animals.  Maybe you can find one.  He is absoluteloy amazing in what he does.  When I go to him, I can relax, knowing that he is the best of the best.

A few thoughts (long reply)

First I must be honest and say that I do wish you had better and more open communication with your vet...don't know if that's just his personality or if this 'dispense only what the client must know' attitutde is restricting this but going on from there...you can probably help some of the shedding by using a fish oil supplement to her diet. It won't interfere with anything else unless she has some notable food allergies, but pickup a bottle of fish oil capsules at Costco or WalMart or similar and give one daily...its better than applying some lotion externally, and expect that it will take a few days to really begin to help lubricate those follicles.

Re the eye, the alternative to seeing your regular vet would be to consult an ophthalmic specialist, which is a vet Board Certified in Veterinary Ophthalmology, and that will probably be at least twice the cost of your regular vet for just the office visit. If the ulcer is more than the minor irritation (stage 1) then IMHO the 3rd eyelid should be drawn up (stitched with a couple sutures temporarily) to act as a bandage,keeping the eye protected, moist and body-temp, and it can still be medicated to promote healing but remember that the dog herself has to grow the new/replacement cells to heal that ulceration. Prescribing the Gentocin and Atropine is SOP...so we can't fault the vet for doing something irregular...I just would like to see him possibly do a little MORE if its needed...and since you aren't sure what's needed due to a limited understanding from the vet of the severity of her injury...so...you must press this vet for more details. Don't panic. If the ulcer were threatening the life of the eye, he would likely have done the 3rd eyelid procedure and/or referred you to a specialist, but it may be a stage 2 condition and you should have that information.

As for medication, have you followed the recommended way to put eye meds in? Sit the dog on the floor between your knees (you're on the couch) with her head facing AWAY from you. Have the medication within reach, uncapped, ready to use, along with a tasty treat for the dog. Wrap your legs across the dog so she cannot bolt away. With one hand tip her head slightly upward so you can see the eye clearly by placing your fingers under her jaw and use your thumb to lower the eyelid, creating a little "trough" or shelf. Take the second hand and place the drops or ointment (if using ointment, only need 1/4 inch) and then let the lid go back into normal position. When giving two meds, wait 30 seconds before adding the second one, if possible. With the "free hand" then pop the treat into the dog's mouth together with lots of praise, and release the hold on the dog's body as well.

Ointments appear harder to deal with but they actually remain in the eye a bit longer because some blinking will dilute the medication and distribute it but drops are good. You only need one, but if you're unsure if that one got into the eye, then give a second one! There's no concern about overmedicating by giving 2 drops, as the second one will likely just flow out...the eye can only hold 'so much' additional moisture at one time. happy.gif

A few thoughts (long reply)

First I must be honest and say that I do wish you had better and more open communication with your vet...don't know if that's just his personality or if this 'dispense only what the client must know' attitutde is restricting this but going on from there...you can probably help some of the shedding by using a fish oil supplement to her diet. It won't interfere with anything else unless she has some notable food allergies, but pickup a bottle of fish oil capsules at Costco or WalMart or similar and give one daily...its better than applying some lotion externally, and expect that it will take a few days to really begin to help lubricate those follicles.

Re the eye, the alternative to seeing your regular vet would be to consult an ophthalmic specialist, which is a vet Board Certified in Veterinary Ophthalmology, and that will probably be at least twice the cost of your regular vet for just the office visit. If the ulcer is more than the minor irritation (stage 1) then IMHO the 3rd eyelid should be drawn up (stitched with a couple sutures temporarily) to act as a bandage,keeping the eye protected, moist and body-temp, and it can still be medicated to promote healing but remember that the dog herself has to grow the new/replacement cells to heal that ulceration. Prescribing the Gentocin and Atropine is SOP...so we can't fault the vet for doing something irregular...I just would like to see him possibly do a little MORE if its needed...and since you aren't sure what's needed due to a limited understanding from the vet of the severity of her injury...so...you must press this vet for more details. Don't panic. If the ulcer were threatening the life of the eye, he would likely have done the 3rd eyelid procedure and/or referred you to a specialist, but it may be a stage 2 condition and you should have that information.

As for medication, have you followed the recommended way to put eye meds in? Sit the dog on the floor between your knees (you're on the couch) with her head facing AWAY from you. Have the medication within reach, uncapped, ready to use, along with a tasty treat for the dog. Wrap your legs across the dog so she cannot bolt away. With one hand tip her head slightly upward so you can see the eye clearly by placing your fingers under her jaw and use your thumb to lower the eyelid, creating a little "trough" or shelf. Take the second hand and place the drops or ointment (if using ointment, only need 1/4 inch) and then let the lid go back into normal position. When giving two meds, wait 30 seconds before adding the second one, if possible. With the "free hand" then pop the treat into the dog's mouth together with lots of praise, and release the hold on the dog's body as well.

Ointments appear harder to deal with but they actually remain in the eye a bit longer because some blinking will dilute the medication and distribute it but drops are good. You only need one, but if you're unsure if that one got into the eye, then give a second one! There's no concern about overmedicating by giving 2 drops, as the second one will likely just flow out...the eye can only hold 'so much' additional moisture at one time. happy.gif

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