I am sure most would agree that the best milk for any animal--or human--is Mom's milk but if not available the next best thing is a supplement or substitute that was developed after much research praricularly for them. Then why would you want to feed a puppy a milk replacer developed for another species? I could understand if a milk replacer for that particular species was not available. Then you would look at what was available and choose the closest thing you could find to the real thing. But why would you want to feed a LAMB replacer to pups when there are plenty of replacers available developed for puppies. Lambs have a high requirement for copper and selinium not needed for puppies. Also the Land O'Lakes Lamb replacer has animal fat that is preserved by ETHOXYQUIN. A lot of effort went into removing Ethoxyquin from our dog foods, why would you want to feed it to pups. Puppies have very delicate and different digestive systems. Great care needs to be taken in what they are fed. Perhaps a bottle or two won't harm them--but why take the chance? Just my opinion.
Miriam Olesen
http://www.omegabulldogs.shutterfly.com/
It's that way with all BABIES
I know as a baby, I was allergic to milk. I was fed goat's milk and soy milk. What works well for one may not work for others. That's why their are so many different types of formulas on the market.


I've bottle fed many kittens and they did great on KMR.
thank you i agree
Its just like adult food what works for one might not work for another
Vicky, Bosco, Bella, Breve' & Holly
:-)) thank you!! nm
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Laura
Thunderstruck Bulldogs http://sitekreator.com/thunderstruckbulldog/index.html
very well said
and I agree with you whole heartly...




JennJ~ The Spina Bifida mommy
SPANKY~SB BABY
SB BABY
BUBBA~SB BABY
DEACON
Pug Rescue of Fresno
I've found that not all litters can use the same milk replacer..
I've had some we used Just Born, Esbilac, Nuturall C, Nature's Farmacy Puppy Bac, goats milk, home made variety, etc. I must admit I've never used lamb replacer but I will say for us each litter is different and I've had some litters that didn't do as well on certain replacers so sometimes its trial and error unfortunately. I had one litter on goats milk that had bloody diarhea. Esbilac is my least favorite, I find the powder gritty and doesn't come thru the nipple well. I love Nature's Farmacy Puppy Bac as it has fading puppy and probiotics with digestive enzymes but it only comes in powder so I don't care for it as well with newborns. I don't think there is a right or wrong here, it's what works to get the puppies where we want them to be. Just because we haven't tried it doesn't mean it won't or can't work....there is more than one way to skin a cat....
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Laura
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If Dave had a problem with me or the way I raise my puppies he would take me off the breeders list
New and improved is not always better see canades
In the past dogs didn't have all these allergies we see today I wonder why
As for babies do you know how many babies are on Meds for gi issues that are on formula almost double those on breast milk and those on formula who have skin issues allergies and other health problems soy IMO is not best
Vicky, Bosco, Bella, Breve' & Holly
im happy with how my puppies
Develop and show to adults and that is all that matters
What has been used for years and by many breeders works for me and many others
Vicky, Bosco, Bella, Breve' & Holly
To each his own
is fine as long as what you do is not influencing others. I agree that the manufacturers of any product put a great deal of money into advertising to try to promote their products. That is why a consumer has the responsibility to do their research to weed the hype from the reality. However a great deal of money also goes into research to develop better products. As consumers became more sophisticated, educated and with more money to spend the demand for improvements in all areas of our lives has resulted in better products--and that goes for our dogs, too.
You mentioned soy as being a Big allergen. However soy over cow's milk is the basis for most of the infant formulas today. So I am not sure I can agree with you on that one.
"you can always add stuff like yogart or beneback to formula."--which is certainly true. I have several recipes for homemade puppy formula. However I haven't done the research so do not feel comfortable with making my own. I am not sure it provides all the vitamins, mineral, and other nutrients needed for a pup. "If it aint broken then why change"--have you ever heard of NEW and Impoved? .
Also many who are not in the farm area do not know of alternitives to what is on the market and pushed by large backers--we are no longer a farm society. Few of us are in the "farm area". Which is perhaps the reason why the pet food industry--including puppy foormulas--had to come up with a New and Improved formula.
"Look at some of the crappy foods on the market for dogs, some say they are just fine but i would not feed them to my dogs".--I agree. But I am not going to feed my dogs Goat Chow either.
Miriam Olesen
http://www.omegabulldogs.shutterfly.com/
A puppy is not a lamb--and lamb replacer is made from cow's milk
"lambs and goats on farms, both are good and used as a replacer on both animals."--I can see how they can be interchangeable with kids and lambs--both are ruminants. It is also easier to feed an orphaned lamb goats milk--easier to obtain, ewes are hard to milk. I raised dairy goats--milked at least 12 twice a day for years so am well aware of the benefits of goat's milk. And if nothing else was available GOAT'S milk would probably be my first choice. However the LAMB replacer is NOT made from ewe's milk but from cow's milk--specifically the whey and also some skimmed milk.
"I dont like the canned puppy milk, i used 1 bottle had gas, and diarrhea. Never had either with the lambsmilk"--You are basing your opinion on only ONE bottle of canned puppy milk?
Miriam Olesen
http://www.omegabulldogs.shutterfly.com/
to each his or her own,
people who make dog food put lots of money it to marketing to tell us it's good to use. Same with milk replacer, what i dont like about esbilac is the soy, not a good thing for dog and is a high allergen.
you can always add stuff like yogart or beneback to formula. If it aint broken then why change.
Also many who are not in the farm area do not know of alternitives to what is on the market and pushed by large backers.
Look at some of the crappy foods on the market for dogs, some say they are just fine but i would not feed them to my dogs.
Vicky,
Bosco, Bella, Breve' & Holly
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Goats milk
is known to be extremely digestible--much more so than cow's milk. Also fewer allergies are associated with it. By itself it is low on protein compared to bitches milk. It does make a good base for make your own formula. However, why would you say that powdered puppy milk replacers are not healthy? Also, not knowing what was on the market 35 years ago, maybe Lambs milk replacer was the best thing available. However, now it still contains ETHOXYQUIN which is one ingredient I wouldn't want to feed my pups. A lot more is known about the nutritional needs of dogs now then 35 years ago. If we believed that "what was good enough then is good enough now" we would still be living in the cave days.
Miriam Olesen
http://www.omegabulldogs.shutterfly.com/
Lambs milk and Goat milk is interchanged in feeding
lambs and goats on farms, both are good and used as a replacer on both animals.
I dont like the canned puppy milk, i used 1 bottle had gas, and diarrhea. Never had either with the lambsmilk.
Vicky,
Bosco, Bella, Breve' & Holly
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yep goats milk here too
It's what I was told was the closest to mama's milk. My puppies had NO problem with it. I consider my source a VERY reputable breeder who knows her stuff!!!




JennJ~ The Spina Bifida mommy
SPANKY~SB BABY
SB BABY
BUBBA~SB BABY
DEACON
Pug Rescue of Fresno
i used goats milk.....
fresh from a health food store its as close to dogs milk you can get, any of the powdered milk replacers, are not healthy.
i have used it for years and my mentor who has been breeding
for over 35 years also uses it. We have never had issues in puppies or senior dogs.
Vicky,
Bosco, Bella, Breve' & Holly
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