I know as a baby, I was allergic to milk. I was fed goat's milk and soy milk. What works well for one may not work for others. That's why their are so many different types of formulas on the market.

I've bottle fed many kittens and they did great on KMR.

Its just like adult food what works for one might not work for another

Vicky, Bosco, Bella, Breve' & Holly

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Laura
Thunderstruck Bulldogs http://sitekreator.com/thunderstruckbulldog/index.html

and I agree with you whole heartly...

JennJ~ The Spina Bifida mommy

SPANKY~SB BABY

SB BABY

BUBBA~SB BABY

DEACON
Pug Rescue of Fresno

I've had some we used Just Born, Esbilac, Nuturall C, Nature's Farmacy Puppy Bac, goats milk, home made variety, etc. I must admit I've never used lamb replacer but I will say for us each litter is different and I've had some litters that didn't do as well on certain replacers so sometimes its trial and error unfortunately. I had one litter on goats milk that had bloody diarhea. Esbilac is my least favorite, I find the powder gritty and doesn't come thru the nipple well. I love Nature's Farmacy Puppy Bac as it has fading puppy and probiotics with digestive enzymes but it only comes in powder so I don't care for it as well with newborns. I don't think there is a right or wrong here, it's what works to get the puppies where we want them to be. Just because we haven't tried it doesn't mean it won't or can't work....there is more than one way to skin a cat....
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Laura
Thunderstruck Bulldogs http://sitekreator.com/thunderstruckbulldog/index.html

If Dave had a problem with me or the way I raise my puppies he would take me off the breeders list

New and improved is not always better see canades

In the past dogs didn't have all these allergies we see today I wonder why

As for babies do you know how many babies are on Meds for gi issues that are on formula almost double those on breast milk and those on formula who have skin issues allergies and other health problems soy IMO is not best

Vicky, Bosco, Bella, Breve' & Holly

Develop and show to adults and that is all that matters

What has been used for years and by many breeders works for me and many others

Vicky, Bosco, Bella, Breve' & Holly

is fine as long as what you do is not influencing others. I agree that the manufacturers of any product put a great deal of money into advertising to try to promote their products. That is why a consumer has the responsibility to do their research to weed the hype from the reality. However a great deal of money also goes into research to develop better products. As consumers became more sophisticated, educated and with more money to spend the demand for improvements in all areas of our lives has resulted in better products--and that goes for our dogs, too.
You mentioned soy as being a Big allergen. However soy over cow's milk is the basis for most of the infant formulas today. So I am not sure I can agree with you on that one.

"you can always add stuff like yogart or beneback to formula."--which is certainly true. I have several recipes for homemade puppy formula. However I haven't done the research so do not feel comfortable with making my own. I am not sure it provides all the vitamins, mineral, and other nutrients needed for a pup. "If it aint broken then why change"--have you ever heard of NEW and Impoved? .

Also many who are not in the farm area do not know of alternitives to what is on the market and pushed by large backers--we are no longer a farm society. Few of us are in the "farm area". Which is perhaps the reason why the pet food industry--including puppy foormulas--had to come up with a New and Improved formula.

"Look at some of the crappy foods on the market for dogs, some say they are just fine but i would not feed them to my dogs".--I agree. But I am not going to feed my dogs Goat Chow either.


Miriam Olesen
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"lambs and goats on farms, both are good and used as a replacer on both animals."--I can see how they can be interchangeable with kids and lambs--both are ruminants. It is also easier to feed an orphaned lamb goats milk--easier to obtain, ewes are hard to milk. I raised dairy goats--milked at least 12 twice a day for years so am well aware of the benefits of goat's milk. And if nothing else was available GOAT'S milk would probably be my first choice. However the LAMB replacer is NOT made from ewe's milk but from cow's milk--specifically the whey and also some skimmed milk.

"I dont like the canned puppy milk, i used 1 bottle had gas, and diarrhea. Never had either with the lambsmilk"--You are basing your opinion on only ONE bottle of canned puppy milk?



Miriam Olesen
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people who make dog food put lots of money it to marketing to tell us it's good to use. Same with milk replacer, what i dont like about esbilac is the soy, not a good thing for dog and is a high allergen.

you can always add stuff like yogart or beneback to formula. If it aint broken then why change.

Also many who are not in the farm area do not know of alternitives to what is on the market and pushed by large backers.

Look at some of the crappy foods on the market for dogs, some say they are just fine but i would not feed them to my dogs.

Vicky,
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is known to be extremely digestible--much more so than cow's milk. Also fewer allergies are associated with it. By itself it is low on protein compared to bitches milk. It does make a good base for make your own formula. However, why would you say that powdered puppy milk replacers are not healthy? Also, not knowing what was on the market 35 years ago, maybe Lambs milk replacer was the best thing available. However, now it still contains ETHOXYQUIN which is one ingredient I wouldn't want to feed my pups. A lot more is known about the nutritional needs of dogs now then 35 years ago. If we believed that "what was good enough then is good enough now" we would still be living in the cave days.

Miriam Olesen
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lambs and goats on farms, both are good and used as a replacer on both animals.

I dont like the canned puppy milk, i used 1 bottle had gas, and diarrhea. Never had either with the lambsmilk.



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It's what I was told was the closest to mama's milk. My puppies had NO problem with it. I consider my source a VERY reputable breeder who knows her stuff!!!

JennJ~ The Spina Bifida mommy

SPANKY~SB BABY

SB BABY

BUBBA~SB BABY

DEACON
Pug Rescue of Fresno

fresh from a health food store its as close to dogs milk you can get, any of the powdered milk replacers, are not healthy.

for over 35 years also uses it. We have never had issues in puppies or senior dogs.



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