please let us know how she's doing.

Kathy, Ollie and Chester

please let us know how she's doing.

Kathy, Ollie and Chester

I am praying for her. I know she will be okay.

I am praying for her. I know she will be okay.

...I'm a firm believer in being cautious above all else. My dog's safety comes first. I ask questions even if I might sound paranoid to my vet, or to anyone else. Even if I don't know what I'm talking about (which is 99.9% of the time as I'm new to this). I ask, and push, and poke, and prod because it's my right to know. And the one thing I've learned from spending time on these forums is that you can't really be too cautious when it comes to bullies.

Like I said, my intention was not to freak you out. If you read up on it you will see that many vets use ACE without apparent/immediate problems. And the main concern is for boxers. You say your vet works with many bulldogs, so chances are they did not use ace, or used a very low dosage. Even if they did use it on LuLu chances are it's no big deal.

However, there are many veterinary text/reference books that refer to the drug and warn against possible ill effects on boxers, other brachycephalic dogs, and giant breed dogs. This link shows just some of these references:

http://www.jlhweb.net/BOSS/ace.htm


Apparently the most noted ill effects are on boxers, causing the American Boxer Club to post a warning about the use of the drug:

http://www.americanboxerclub.org/ace_boxers.html

I've read that even if there do not appear to be immediate problems following the use of ace, that does not mean that there can not be problems with hypotension (low blood pressure) and bradycardia (reduced heart rate) at any point in your pets life after that.

Whether any of this is proven, true, false, fact, fiction, complete BS or not, the one FACT that remains is that there are questions. AND there are alternatives to ace. To me it's a no brainer. Why take the risk if there are questions AND suitable, safe alternatives?

It's unfortunate that some (not all, of course) vets insist on doing things a certain way simply because that's how they've always done it, or they haven't personally experienced an issue. It would be better perhaps if they would be as cautious as we might be. Perhaps not. I am no expert and can not be sure. However, my dog's file at the vet's office says "NO ACE" clearly on the front cover. That's MY choice, not his. And it's your choice too. Of that I AM sure.

So, I'm sorry once again to sound alarmist, and I'm sorry for the length of this post. But I've already learned so much from this site, and I'm trying to give a little something back. And that is to encourage you to be informed and get the very best care for LuLu.

Please give us an update when you get one.








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"Bullies make me SMILE "

...I'm a firm believer in being cautious above all else. My dog's safety comes first. I ask questions even if I might sound paranoid to my vet, or to anyone else. Even if I don't know what I'm talking about (which is 99.9% of the time as I'm new to this). I ask, and push, and poke, and prod because it's my right to know. And the one thing I've learned from spending time on these forums is that you can't really be too cautious when it comes to bullies.

Like I said, my intention was not to freak you out. If you read up on it you will see that many vets use ACE without apparent/immediate problems. And the main concern is for boxers. You say your vet works with many bulldogs, so chances are they did not use ace, or used a very low dosage. Even if they did use it on LuLu chances are it's no big deal.

However, there are many veterinary text/reference books that refer to the drug and warn against possible ill effects on boxers, other brachycephalic dogs, and giant breed dogs. This link shows just some of these references:

http://www.jlhweb.net/BOSS/ace.htm


Apparently the most noted ill effects are on boxers, causing the American Boxer Club to post a warning about the use of the drug:

http://www.americanboxerclub.org/ace_boxers.html

I've read that even if there do not appear to be immediate problems following the use of ace, that does not mean that there can not be problems with hypotension (low blood pressure) and bradycardia (reduced heart rate) at any point in your pets life after that.

Whether any of this is proven, true, false, fact, fiction, complete BS or not, the one FACT that remains is that there are questions. AND there are alternatives to ace. To me it's a no brainer. Why take the risk if there are questions AND suitable, safe alternatives?

It's unfortunate that some (not all, of course) vets insist on doing things a certain way simply because that's how they've always done it, or they haven't personally experienced an issue. It would be better perhaps if they would be as cautious as we might be. Perhaps not. I am no expert and can not be sure. However, my dog's file at the vet's office says "NO ACE" clearly on the front cover. That's MY choice, not his. And it's your choice too. Of that I AM sure.

So, I'm sorry once again to sound alarmist, and I'm sorry for the length of this post. But I've already learned so much from this site, and I'm trying to give a little something back. And that is to encourage you to be informed and get the very best care for LuLu.

Please give us an update when you get one.








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"Bullies make me SMILE "

is there someone to monitor her over night. Not all vet hospitals have someone there 24/7. You should make sure that someone will be watching her overnight or...what's the point of her staying there.

I'm sure she'll be fine.

Sue

is there someone to monitor her over night. Not all vet hospitals have someone there 24/7. You should make sure that someone will be watching her overnight or...what's the point of her staying there.

I'm sure she'll be fine.

Sue

It's not uncommon to keep bullies for observation after a surgical procedure. I would hope that your vet (or, whoever is covering) will be calling you tomorrow for an update - if not this evening.
Sending good thoughts for your girl!

Olivia/Kano/Q-Ball

It's not uncommon to keep bullies for observation after a surgical procedure. I would hope that your vet (or, whoever is covering) will be calling you tomorrow for an update - if not this evening.
Sending good thoughts for your girl!

Olivia/Kano/Q-Ball

Thank you for the get well wishes.

I am not sure if they gave her ACE, the vets at the clinic have experience with bulldogs which is why we went there.

Monitoring - not exactly sure, I was so surprised to hear that she would not be coming home that I did not ask enough questions, just trusted that they knew best.

Thank you for the get well wishes.

I am not sure if they gave her ACE, the vets at the clinic have experience with bulldogs which is why we went there.

Monitoring - not exactly sure, I was so surprised to hear that she would not be coming home that I did not ask enough questions, just trusted that they knew best.

Sending prayers and best wishes to your girl.

Sending prayers and best wishes to your girl.

It is a sedative that can cause severe lowering of blood pressure resulting in respiratory distress or cardiac arrest. It can be particularly dangerous for use with the brachycephalic (short nosed) breeds such as boxers and our bullies.

I really don't mean to be alarmist here, but you need to find out. Also, when they said "monitor" does that mean they have staff present 24 hours monitoring the animals, as well as proper equiment to do the "monitoring"?

Good luck, let us know what is happening, please.
















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"Bullies make me SMILE "

It is a sedative that can cause severe lowering of blood pressure resulting in respiratory distress or cardiac arrest. It can be particularly dangerous for use with the brachycephalic (short nosed) breeds such as boxers and our bullies.

I really don't mean to be alarmist here, but you need to find out. Also, when they said "monitor" does that mean they have staff present 24 hours monitoring the animals, as well as proper equiment to do the "monitoring"?

Good luck, let us know what is happening, please.
















Bubble Gum, Anyone?

"Bullies make me SMILE "