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Entropia

Hi All,

I just brought my almost 3 month old puppy to the vet and he said he has entropia. The said he might need surgery, he's not sure yet and has to see what happens as he grows.

As anyone ever had to take their bulldog for this surgery, and if so, how much does it cost

jeagley's picture

Might be getting this fixed anyways

since just today she got cherry eye in her left eye (she had the surgery on her right a month or so ago)

Hopefully it goes back in and stays in, but if I end up getting that fixed, I'll just go ahead and have this done too... at the same time to be safe...

My baby's poor eyes sad.gif

jeagley's picture

Might be getting this fixed anyways

since just today she got cherry eye in her left eye (she had the surgery on her right a month or so ago)

Hopefully it goes back in and stays in, but if I end up getting that fixed, I'll just go ahead and have this done too... at the same time to be safe...

My baby's poor eyes sad.gif

My thoughts, for what they're worth.

I couldn't possibly have any idea without seeing you're girl. Entropian is pretty obvious in my opinion; the eyelid is rolled in enought that you can't see the eyelashes along all are part of the lid.

If it is at all possible, I'd go to an opthamologist for anything more than cherry eye rather than having a regular vet do it. Correcting entropian in bulldogs can be very tricky. You're welcome to contact me privately.

Ellen

My thoughts, for what they're worth.

I couldn't possibly have any idea without seeing you're girl. Entropian is pretty obvious in my opinion; the eyelid is rolled in enought that you can't see the eyelashes along all are part of the lid.

If it is at all possible, I'd go to an opthamologist for anything more than cherry eye rather than having a regular vet do it. Correcting entropian in bulldogs can be very tricky. You're welcome to contact me privately.

Ellen

jeagley's picture

Thanks

I'm curious to here your thoughts on my case.

Bella blinks normal etc. There just is some redness.

jeagley's picture

Thanks

I'm curious to here your thoughts on my case.

Bella blinks normal etc. There just is some redness.

jeagley's picture

Update

So, my wife took in Bella today.

The vet said that it looked like both bottom eyelids did have some minor curling of the eye lases and it was causing some irritation at times.

She did an eye test, where they put in some sort of liquid and looked for scratches etc. and everything looked really good.

She recommend (and the other vet who also looked at her) to hold off, and keep our eyes on it - as the dog's face still has changing to do etc. and may as a result fix itself.

We received some sort of ointment to put if it gets to bad.

I'm not sure what to make of it, to me if it's entropian it should be treated right way, or have others also waited and had it "fix itself" as the face/head grows?

I'm glad there is no ulcer, scratching etc. but still a little bummed out and wondering what to thinkg happy.gif

Thanks,

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Update

So, my wife took in Bella today.

The vet said that it looked like both bottom eyelids did have some minor curling of the eye lases and it was causing some irritation at times.

She did an eye test, where they put in some sort of liquid and looked for scratches etc. and everything looked really good.

She recommend (and the other vet who also looked at her) to hold off, and keep our eyes on it - as the dog's face still has changing to do etc. and may as a result fix itself.

We received some sort of ointment to put if it gets to bad.

I'm not sure what to make of it, to me if it's entropian it should be treated right way, or have others also waited and had it "fix itself" as the face/head grows?

I'm glad there is no ulcer, scratching etc. but still a little bummed out and wondering what to thinkg happy.gif

Thanks,

easy way to lose an eye

I live in one of the greatest cities for dog health problems. Because of OSU vet school, we have world famous specialist, including one of the pioneering canine opthamology practices.

Who, unfortunately, I've had way more to do with than I can afford.

We've dealt with entropian. Even more bothersome, we've had to deal with that nasty little set of inward pointing eyelashes (you'd think I could remember the name for them, we've had them so often) which can cause even more damage.

The opthamologists rule of thumb is: if they're blinkie, see my vet. If they're squinting, make an appointment. If the eye is clamped shut, spend the gadzillions of $$ and come in as an emergency (the opthamologists will see you always if it's an emergency, you just pay more).

The first thing everyone (who knows what they're doing) does is check for scratches on the cornea with eyedrops and their magic ligt (technical description, obviously). They are NOT always visible. If the cornea is being damaged, it has to be treated, and not with over the counter remedies.

If you let it go, you've no idea how fast an ulcer can develop, and those aren't necessarily visible either. Once the cornea ulcerates, the fluid leaks out and all that's left is removing the eye. The repair for an ulcer is a patch made from the tissue inside the lower eyelid. We've done this twice. The second time the fluid started to leak out as they put her under; they did save they eye.

Just didn't want this treated too lightly with a sorry owner afterwards.

easy way to lose an eye

I live in one of the greatest cities for dog health problems. Because of OSU vet school, we have world famous specialist, including one of the pioneering canine opthamology practices.

Who, unfortunately, I've had way more to do with than I can afford.

We've dealt with entropian. Even more bothersome, we've had to deal with that nasty little set of inward pointing eyelashes (you'd think I could remember the name for them, we've had them so often) which can cause even more damage.

The opthamologists rule of thumb is: if they're blinkie, see my vet. If they're squinting, make an appointment. If the eye is clamped shut, spend the gadzillions of $$ and come in as an emergency (the opthamologists will see you always if it's an emergency, you just pay more).

The first thing everyone (who knows what they're doing) does is check for scratches on the cornea with eyedrops and their magic ligt (technical description, obviously). They are NOT always visible. If the cornea is being damaged, it has to be treated, and not with over the counter remedies.

If you let it go, you've no idea how fast an ulcer can develop, and those aren't necessarily visible either. Once the cornea ulcerates, the fluid leaks out and all that's left is removing the eye. The repair for an ulcer is a patch made from the tissue inside the lower eyelid. We've done this twice. The second time the fluid started to leak out as they put her under; they did save they eye.

Just didn't want this treated too lightly with a sorry owner afterwards.

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Good news

I'll try to take a picture tonight.

If it is something I tend to wonder if it wasn't a result of the cherry eye tuck surgery as I believe it wasn't like that before (hard to remember) and not visible in any pics I do have since they're not super closeups of the eye.

I would say it looks more like flames (odd description I know) around the bottom of the cornea. Not blood vessels.

Also, that eye tends to get goopy as of late, and just red/irritated a lot more then the other as a result of being outside etc.

jeagley's picture

Good news

I'll try to take a picture tonight.

If it is something I tend to wonder if it wasn't a result of the cherry eye tuck surgery as I believe it wasn't like that before (hard to remember) and not visible in any pics I do have since they're not super closeups of the eye.

I would say it looks more like flames (odd description I know) around the bottom of the cornea. Not blood vessels.

Also, that eye tends to get goopy as of late, and just red/irritated a lot more then the other as a result of being outside etc.

AmyandSophia's picture

Yes, very treatable in early stages.

You would be able to see a small pot of cloudy or white on the cornea itself if your pup has an ulcer. It can come up pretty quickly, but it will take a while for it to go away. I just went through this with one of my girls...she had entropian eyelids from allergies, that caused a rubbed ulcer to come up, and now after about 4 weeks of treatment it is going away nicely.



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AmyandSophia's picture

Yes, very treatable in early stages.

You would be able to see a small pot of cloudy or white on the cornea itself if your pup has an ulcer. It can come up pretty quickly, but it will take a while for it to go away. I just went through this with one of my girls...she had entropian eyelids from allergies, that caused a rubbed ulcer to come up, and now after about 4 weeks of treatment it is going away nicely.



Amy, Sophia and Isabella

jeagley's picture

Thanks

She doesn't blink a lot of squint, but her eye def has some redness. I'll try to get a picture today. I'm taking her in no matter what this week but curious if you guys have thoughts based upon the pic.

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Thanks

She doesn't blink a lot of squint, but her eye def has some redness. I'll try to get a picture today. I'm taking her in no matter what this week but curious if you guys have thoughts based upon the pic.

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I agree

Thanks


I'm a bit concerned, my wife thinks it's nothing, but I tend to error on the other side. With that said it's been red here/there since she had her surgery. We took the pup in like 3-4 weeks after surgery and the vet said it looked terrific. I still am having my doubts, and going to take her in this week. What it appears is just some redness around the black of the eye itself.

Also, her eye appears to be liquidy or goopy (I'm not to worried if it's a little since she is outside so much and pollen etc. has been so bad)

IF, IF she has an ulcer is that treatable thing as well? I obviously don't want it to be that, but worst case, is that something that can be fixed and or need fixed?

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I agree

Thanks


I'm a bit concerned, my wife thinks it's nothing, but I tend to error on the other side. With that said it's been red here/there since she had her surgery. We took the pup in like 3-4 weeks after surgery and the vet said it looked terrific. I still am having my doubts, and going to take her in this week. What it appears is just some redness around the black of the eye itself.

Also, her eye appears to be liquidy or goopy (I'm not to worried if it's a little since she is outside so much and pollen etc. has been so bad)

IF, IF she has an ulcer is that treatable thing as well? I obviously don't want it to be that, but worst case, is that something that can be fixed and or need fixed?

Jacinda and the bullies's picture

Hey Joe

One way I know when my dogs are having eye issues is they squint a lot. They can barely open their eyes and they constanly blink their eyes.

If you feel there is something wrong, have your vet or opthamologist check their eyes. Entropian is when the lids roll in toward the eyes and the lashes rub against the eyes and cause trauma which could turn into an ulcer which is very painful.

Distichia is another condition bulldogs can have. It's when the lashes grow in odd places and rub against the eye.

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Jacinda and the bullies's picture

Hey Joe

One way I know when my dogs are having eye issues is they squint a lot. They can barely open their eyes and they constanly blink their eyes.

If you feel there is something wrong, have your vet or opthamologist check their eyes. Entropian is when the lids roll in toward the eyes and the lashes rub against the eyes and cause trauma which could turn into an ulcer which is very painful.

Distichia is another condition bulldogs can have. It's when the lashes grow in odd places and rub against the eye.

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A link to a better description:-)

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A link to a better description:-)

AmyandSophia's picture

Entropian....

Is when the upper and or lower eye lids roll inward, causing the lashes to be on the inside of the eye against the cornea. That will cause rubbing and irritation, and possibly an ulcer if not treated promptly.

If your pup still is having issues with the recently repaired eye, I would head back to your vet for a re-check and make certain there isn't anything in the eye or rubbing it. You DO NOT want an ulcer on the eye....that is a bad thing!



Amy, Sophia and Isabella

AmyandSophia's picture

Entropian....

Is when the upper and or lower eye lids roll inward, causing the lashes to be on the inside of the eye against the cornea. That will cause rubbing and irritation, and possibly an ulcer if not treated promptly.

If your pup still is having issues with the recently repaired eye, I would head back to your vet for a re-check and make certain there isn't anything in the eye or rubbing it. You DO NOT want an ulcer on the eye....that is a bad thing!



Amy, Sophia and Isabella

jeagley's picture

How can you tell if your bully has this condition?

How can you tell if your bully has this condition?

I only ask because the eye my Bella had her cherry eye surgery on, has since been watery(and more eye goop) then is use it to be.

Also, the eye is somewhat red on the eyeball itself.

Curious if this could be signs of this or possibly a corneal ulcer - both issues have only been since the surgery (it's been about 1.5 months - did the tacking down surgery).

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How can you tell if your bully has this condition?

How can you tell if your bully has this condition?

I only ask because the eye my Bella had her cherry eye surgery on, has since been watery(and more eye goop) then is use it to be.

Also, the eye is somewhat red on the eyeball itself.

Curious if this could be signs of this or possibly a corneal ulcer - both issues have only been since the surgery (it's been about 1.5 months - did the tacking down surgery).

I would wait a few months for sure.

We paid around $600 for both eyes and 1 cherry eye removal about a year 1/2 ago.

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I would wait a few months for sure.

We paid around $600 for both eyes and 1 cherry eye removal about a year 1/2 ago.

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beefymalone's picture

Re: Well...

Thank you so much Amy. I will ask the vet about that when he goes back in a month. He brought me over to the dog and showed me his eyes and said it was entropia

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Re: Well...

Thank you so much Amy. I will ask the vet about that when he goes back in a month. He brought me over to the dog and showed me his eyes and said it was entropia

AmyandSophia's picture

Well...

Entropia is a curling inward of the upper and lower eyelids. It can be caused by several things, one of which is allergies. If you have your puppy allergy tested it will tell you if maybe you are dealing with an allergy issue. I have a girl that is allergic to grass. In the summer her eyes get swollen and one of them becomes swollen and then entropic. I treat the allergy issue and in turn that calms the entropian issue.




Amy, Sophia and Isabella

AmyandSophia's picture

Well...

Entropia is a curling inward of the upper and lower eyelids. It can be caused by several things, one of which is allergies. If you have your puppy allergy tested it will tell you if maybe you are dealing with an allergy issue. I have a girl that is allergic to grass. In the summer her eyes get swollen and one of them becomes swollen and then entropic. I treat the allergy issue and in turn that calms the entropian issue.




Amy, Sophia and Isabella

beefymalone's picture

Entropia

No, haven't tried a food change. The vet said it was entropia. I guess I have to wait until the next vet visit and see

beefymalone's picture

Entropia

No, haven't tried a food change. The vet said it was entropia. I guess I have to wait until the next vet visit and see

AmyandSophia's picture

Have you tried a food change?

Entropian can be related to eye swelling from allergies. My girl has a problem with this because of seasonal allergies. I treat the underlying problem before I would consider surgery.



Amy, Sophia and Isabella

AmyandSophia's picture

Have you tried a food change?

Entropian can be related to eye swelling from allergies. My girl has a problem with this because of seasonal allergies. I treat the underlying problem before I would consider surgery.



Amy, Sophia and Isabella

judy wilson's picture

wait till....

6 months old but only if the lids are not causing scratches on the lens.....some times you can tack the lower lid down until the adult folds are in....chinese shar pei some times do this....surgery in mass is about 600 to 700 a eye....

judy wilson's picture

wait till....

6 months old but only if the lids are not causing scratches on the lens.....some times you can tack the lower lid down until the adult folds are in....chinese shar pei some times do this....surgery in mass is about 600 to 700 a eye....

AmyandSophia's picture

Good suggestion Jacinda:-)

Thanks for jumping in:-) I think we are both able to speak from experience, right!!



Amy, Sophia and Isabella

AmyandSophia's picture

Good suggestion Jacinda:-)

Thanks for jumping in:-) I think we are both able to speak from experience, right!!



Amy, Sophia and Isabella

Jacinda and the bullies's picture

I would suggest a visit to an Opthamologist

Three months seems very young for a dog to be diagnosed with entropian. One of my girls had the surgery on all four lids when she was 10 months old. She also had her palate trimmed at the same time and the cost was $1,300.

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Jacinda and the bullies's picture

I would suggest a visit to an Opthamologist

Three months seems very young for a dog to be diagnosed with entropian. One of my girls had the surgery on all four lids when she was 10 months old. She also had her palate trimmed at the same time and the cost was $1,300.

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