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Clicking in back hips

Hello

I have read a few posts on this topic already, but wanted to just put a new one out there to get some new thoughts since I'm such a worrier about things.

I have a 7 month old year girl named Bella. She was super active as a puppy - in the last 2 months or so she has gotten a bit lazier. She will lay/chew on a bone all day, and chase you around and play with you initiating it, but doesn't walk much on a leash without wanting to lay down. I'm ok with it, but I sometimes worry it's because her legs may be hurting her and wonder if I should start thinking of doing something about them.

She walks around with the normal bulldog gait to me (I'll try to take some video and post). However, if you put your hands on her back legs while she's walking you can feel a little clicking - it's not audible thankfully, but I do feel something. The only time you can sort of hear it is when she walks on something super soft like a couch for example, but nothing on normal ground etc. (it's not loud but if you listen in that casne you can hear a little.

Obviously I know it's tied to possible hip dysplasia, but feel like it could cause her problems, or not. She might out grow it, or maybe it just will never cause her an issue an simply exist.

Should I be concerned, should I try to walk her more or less etc.

I could use feedback. My vet which is recommended here says it's a bit loose back there - but personally I feel I should wait until it starts to cause her problems etc. Is this the wrong attitude?

Any feedback is appreciated or similar stories is greatly appreciated.

jeagley's picture

Thanks

How much distance would you typically cover in your walks, and at what pace?

I appreciate any stories of what worked for you.

Yes, when I say you want to go for a walk - a lot of times she will run to the door, the days she doesn't I just let her be.

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Thanks

How much distance would you typically cover in your walks, and at what pace?

I appreciate any stories of what worked for you.

Yes, when I say you want to go for a walk - a lot of times she will run to the door, the days she doesn't I just let her be.

Not far, not fast:-)

We live on a mini-farm - no blocks to walk around. Originally it was to the back of our 5 acre pasture and back morning and evening at a liesurely pace. The grass was chest high on a bulldog, so it offered some resistance. Then we started walking around the 90' x 220' riding ring a couple of times.

We don't crate, they're allowed on the sofa, and they're turned out together in the fenced yard, all contributing to muscle building

Not far, not fast:-)

We live on a mini-farm - no blocks to walk around. Originally it was to the back of our 5 acre pasture and back morning and evening at a liesurely pace. The grass was chest high on a bulldog, so it offered some resistance. Then we started walking around the 90' x 220' riding ring a couple of times.

We don't crate, they're allowed on the sofa, and they're turned out together in the fenced yard, all contributing to muscle building

loose joints

The latest thinking (as per an AKC sponsered symposium at OSU Vet school) is that dysplasia is caused by collagen (the stuff tendons and ligaments are made of) that is too elastic. It's a body wide affliction. Picture one of those toys held togerther with elastic cord. (this is true of humans, too).

If the joint is loose, it rubs itself to bits, so to speak. Followed by artritis, etc. At which point you need a joint replacement (which they do).

Building a sizeable muscle mass to hold the joint together is the only successful treatment if done before the joint is damaged (or even after). But you have to go about it carefully to keep from damaging the joint. Walks, not long, not fast.

Our first bullie started having her hips fall out of the sockets (dislocate) at about 4 months. She survived with no lameness and no treatment other than walks to age 10.

Growing pains also start in the 2nd half of the first year. I've no idea what causes them, but while they're going on, the baby doesn't want to walk, and making them do so is a bad idea. Maybe someone else can explain that.

loose joints

The latest thinking (as per an AKC sponsered symposium at OSU Vet school) is that dysplasia is caused by collagen (the stuff tendons and ligaments are made of) that is too elastic. It's a body wide affliction. Picture one of those toys held togerther with elastic cord. (this is true of humans, too).

If the joint is loose, it rubs itself to bits, so to speak. Followed by artritis, etc. At which point you need a joint replacement (which they do).

Building a sizeable muscle mass to hold the joint together is the only successful treatment if done before the joint is damaged (or even after). But you have to go about it carefully to keep from damaging the joint. Walks, not long, not fast.

Our first bullie started having her hips fall out of the sockets (dislocate) at about 4 months. She survived with no lameness and no treatment other than walks to age 10.

Growing pains also start in the 2nd half of the first year. I've no idea what causes them, but while they're going on, the baby doesn't want to walk, and making them do so is a bad idea. Maybe someone else can explain that.

Helen R. DeAmicis's picture

I agree, that is just what I give. N/M

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Helen R. DeAmicis's picture

I agree, that is just what I give. N/M

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Thanks

I'm going to stick with it. I know it's a normal thing so not really to worried, but do wonder if it's right to bribe her into walking or just not make her if she's not up for it happy.gif

I'll try, I also think I might get one of those buddy belts I saw the thread about because I dont' like walking her on her collar much and her harness always seems to fall down.

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Thanks

I'm going to stick with it. I know it's a normal thing so not really to worried, but do wonder if it's right to bribe her into walking or just not make her if she's not up for it happy.gif

I'll try, I also think I might get one of those buddy belts I saw the thread about because I dont' like walking her on her collar much and her harness always seems to fall down.

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Interesting

That is interesting.

I've never heard of chiropractic vet or a certified whole body animal massage therapist

Do you simply go to the massage therapist because your bully seems soar from the exercises the chiropractic vet gives you? If that is the case how can you tell when he/she needs it or feeling stiff?

Also, how did you find these, just via google or were they your normal vet recommended?

Thanks

jeagley's picture

Interesting

That is interesting.

I've never heard of chiropractic vet or a certified whole body animal massage therapist

Do you simply go to the massage therapist because your bully seems soar from the exercises the chiropractic vet gives you? If that is the case how can you tell when he/she needs it or feeling stiff?

Also, how did you find these, just via google or were they your normal vet recommended?

Thanks

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Recomendation & Dosage

Thanks

Do you have one in particular you recommend and what is the rule thumb on dosage?

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Recomendation & Dosage

Thanks

Do you have one in particular you recommend and what is the rule thumb on dosage?

Carol Diana Fergie Ollie and Chance's picture

Chiropractic Vet

I would suggest adding a joint supplement to her diet. I also recommend a visit to a chiropractic vet and a certified whole body animal massage therapist. Our vet has helped Diana with her stiffness after too much exercise-she runs around with our Rotti like a banshee. He also gave us some exercises to do with her and recommended a massage therapist. They are great for soft tissue concerns and have nothing but excellent results for her. I like the fact I am not introducing any medications to her diet. Exercises strengthen the rear muscles and the massage helps the muscles to relax and recouperate. Oh, by the way they are bulldog vets. Hope this gives you some alternates to try.

Carol Diana Fergie Ollie and Chance's picture

Chiropractic Vet

I would suggest adding a joint supplement to her diet. I also recommend a visit to a chiropractic vet and a certified whole body animal massage therapist. Our vet has helped Diana with her stiffness after too much exercise-she runs around with our Rotti like a banshee. He also gave us some exercises to do with her and recommended a massage therapist. They are great for soft tissue concerns and have nothing but excellent results for her. I like the fact I am not introducing any medications to her diet. Exercises strengthen the rear muscles and the massage helps the muscles to relax and recouperate. Oh, by the way they are bulldog vets. Hope this gives you some alternates to try.

My suggestions...

I would start prophylactic joint supplement. That she's not in pain, or limping is a good thing.
Also, I would try to exercise her more. Not vigorously, but brisk walks are good. If you can beef up the muscles in her butt, that can help stabalize the hips. happy.gif

Olivia/Kano/Q-Ball
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My suggestions...

I would start prophylactic joint supplement. That she's not in pain, or limping is a good thing.
Also, I would try to exercise her more. Not vigorously, but brisk walks are good. If you can beef up the muscles in her butt, that can help stabalize the hips. happy.gif

Olivia/Kano/Q-Ball
[linked image]

I use human supplement...

As well as doggie ones. My rottie has lupus and she does best on Nu-Joint Plus.
I have Q-Ball on osteo biflex (the human stuff).
You want to give glucosamine/chondroitin combo (MSM is good if there is already inflammation). I've seen doses anywhere from 750 mg - 1500.
Fish oil caps also have a natural anti-inflammatory and are good for the skin and coat.

Olivia/Kano/Q-Ball
[linked image]

I use human supplement...

As well as doggie ones. My rottie has lupus and she does best on Nu-Joint Plus.
I have Q-Ball on osteo biflex (the human stuff).
You want to give glucosamine/chondroitin combo (MSM is good if there is already inflammation). I've seen doses anywhere from 750 mg - 1500.
Fish oil caps also have a natural anti-inflammatory and are good for the skin and coat.

Olivia/Kano/Q-Ball
[linked image]

InekeV's picture

Exercise, exercise

is the way to get muscle!

Bulldogs hips are supported by muscle. Allthough your dog might have HD (it takes a x-ray to diagnose this), most cases are handled by giving the dog more muscle.

Short walks on leash, 10 minutes twice a day, might be enough to give your dog more muscle. I am always amazed by the short time in which these guys get more muscles. You need to take her out on leash, because walking in a calm trot is quite different from running around with a toy. The trotting gives her the muscle she needs!

And if she don't want to go, just start feeding her after her daily walk. She'll soon find out that the faster she walks, the sooner she gets her meal. She might be lazy, she isn't stupid!

Good luck,

Ineke

InekeV's picture

Exercise, exercise

is the way to get muscle!

Bulldogs hips are supported by muscle. Allthough your dog might have HD (it takes a x-ray to diagnose this), most cases are handled by giving the dog more muscle.

Short walks on leash, 10 minutes twice a day, might be enough to give your dog more muscle. I am always amazed by the short time in which these guys get more muscles. You need to take her out on leash, because walking in a calm trot is quite different from running around with a toy. The trotting gives her the muscle she needs!

And if she don't want to go, just start feeding her after her daily walk. She'll soon find out that the faster she walks, the sooner she gets her meal. She might be lazy, she isn't stupid!

Good luck,

Ineke

Carol Diana Fergie Ollie and Chance's picture

RE: Interesting

My regular Vet is a Chiropractic Vet (also does acupuncture) and I found the whole body massage therapist through my Bulldog breeder contacts. Massage was recommended to cleanse and relax the muscles after chiropractic treatment as well as the exercises. We also have used this treatment on our horses with wonderful success. I took Diana for chiropractic treatment when she was favoring the rear leg after an especially rambuncious play session. I guess we are fortunate to have all this available to us here in northeast Nebraska. At some AKC dog shows, massage is available and I have seen it provide ease of movement after a treatment. My regular vet is also a Bulldog specialist having bred and owned many themselves. I know the USA Olympic Equestrian team uses whole body massage for their horses and swear by it.

Carol Diana Fergie Ollie and Chance's picture

RE: Interesting

My regular Vet is a Chiropractic Vet (also does acupuncture) and I found the whole body massage therapist through my Bulldog breeder contacts. Massage was recommended to cleanse and relax the muscles after chiropractic treatment as well as the exercises. We also have used this treatment on our horses with wonderful success. I took Diana for chiropractic treatment when she was favoring the rear leg after an especially rambuncious play session. I guess we are fortunate to have all this available to us here in northeast Nebraska. At some AKC dog shows, massage is available and I have seen it provide ease of movement after a treatment. My regular vet is also a Bulldog specialist having bred and owned many themselves. I know the USA Olympic Equestrian team uses whole body massage for their horses and swear by it.

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