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Cherry Eye :(

Layla popped up with cherry eye last night sad.gif Anyone have experience with this ? She is at my sons right now , but I showed him how to gently massage it to try and get it back in , gave him some benadryl just in case she came in contact with something , and gave him a general opthalmic antibiotic ointment to put in until I call the vet this morning . My questions ....

Is this something that always requires surgery ?
Did I do the right thing so far ?
Anything else we could try ?
what are your experiences with cherry eye ?

Thanks !

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cherry eye

Hi,
My puppy, Bandit popped a cherry eye at around 8 months and she is now 10 months. It has come in and out on its own around 4 or 5 times. The vet said to watch it and then decide about surgery. My friend has a lab that had the same problem. She decided on surgery but said she has to give him eye drops all the time to avoid dry-eye.

cherry eye

Hi,
My puppy, Bandit popped a cherry eye at around 8 months and she is now 10 months. It has come in and out on its own around 4 or 5 times. The vet said to watch it and then decide about surgery. My friend has a lab that had the same problem. She decided on surgery but said she has to give him eye drops all the time to avoid dry-eye.

ickytazz's picture

if out more then in then have it snipped out

if they use light sedation they need to tube them, as the trachea can collapse.


I have had several snipped w/o sedation, the only dog i have with dry eye is the one who had it tucked.

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ickytazz's picture

if out more then in then have it snipped out

if they use light sedation they need to tube them, as the trachea can collapse.


I have had several snipped w/o sedation, the only dog i have with dry eye is the one who had it tucked.

Vicky,
Bosco, Bella, Breve' & Holly


www.LangagerBulldogs.com

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that's about right

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that's about right

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Alicia Jay Deuce and Oliver's picture

Oliver had cherry eye in both.....

When we got him he had one, then we got that one taken care of and then of course a few days later the other side popped. So you have a few options. If you can massage it back in and it stays in wonderful. Unfortunately we weren't that lucky. We were able to massage on back in for a day and then never again. So if it comes to the point where you cannot massage back in you have three options.
1. Tacking
2. The 'Pocket' Method
3. Snip it out.
For methods one and two, she will need to be put under anesthesia. For method 3, just a numbing eye drop. Options 1 and 2 may not be permanent, it could pop back out if a stitch doesn't hold. Option 3 is permanent. We chose to snip it out completely. Many will say this causes dry eye, this has not been proven. Dogs can get dry eye even when no tear ducts have been removed. According to our vet, there is no proven correlation between dry eye and the removal of one of the tear ducts. We see a very highly recommended bulldog vet and he was actually at an opthamologist conference the week before he removed Oliver's first one and we had asked him about it causing dry eye. Again, he stated there is no correlation between the two, but I am sure some people will believe otherwise. You can do a search on here because I asked for people's opinions before we made our decision as to what do to. I would say the majority of people on this board snip it out. I did not hear of anyone whose dog developed dry eye from that.

As for the procedure, we took him in, Dr. Shaw took him back, they give him a numbing eyedrop, snipped it out, and kept him back there for about 20 minutes to make sure all bleeding stopped. They had a cone on him when they brought him out to us but the thing drove him nuts. We took it off when we got in the car and he never touched his eye once. Even at home, it never seemed to bother him. You will also get an eyedrop that you have to put in 3x a day for a few weeks. And like I said, we had one done, the other one popped out a few days later. And as for cost, much cheaper than the other two methods. I have NO IDEA what your vet will charge, but ours was $40 per eye. If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to ask.

The decision is completely up to your son and you. You will hear about all three methods on this board as different people have chosen different methods they were confortable with. It is good to hear about all three and then make a decision that you feel is best for you. That is one of the great benefits to this board.

Alicia Jay Deuce and Oliver's picture

Oliver had cherry eye in both.....

When we got him he had one, then we got that one taken care of and then of course a few days later the other side popped. So you have a few options. If you can massage it back in and it stays in wonderful. Unfortunately we weren't that lucky. We were able to massage on back in for a day and then never again. So if it comes to the point where you cannot massage back in you have three options.
1. Tacking
2. The 'Pocket' Method
3. Snip it out.
For methods one and two, she will need to be put under anesthesia. For method 3, just a numbing eye drop. Options 1 and 2 may not be permanent, it could pop back out if a stitch doesn't hold. Option 3 is permanent. We chose to snip it out completely. Many will say this causes dry eye, this has not been proven. Dogs can get dry eye even when no tear ducts have been removed. According to our vet, there is no proven correlation between dry eye and the removal of one of the tear ducts. We see a very highly recommended bulldog vet and he was actually at an opthamologist conference the week before he removed Oliver's first one and we had asked him about it causing dry eye. Again, he stated there is no correlation between the two, but I am sure some people will believe otherwise. You can do a search on here because I asked for people's opinions before we made our decision as to what do to. I would say the majority of people on this board snip it out. I did not hear of anyone whose dog developed dry eye from that.

As for the procedure, we took him in, Dr. Shaw took him back, they give him a numbing eyedrop, snipped it out, and kept him back there for about 20 minutes to make sure all bleeding stopped. They had a cone on him when they brought him out to us but the thing drove him nuts. We took it off when we got in the car and he never touched his eye once. Even at home, it never seemed to bother him. You will also get an eyedrop that you have to put in 3x a day for a few weeks. And like I said, we had one done, the other one popped out a few days later. And as for cost, much cheaper than the other two methods. I have NO IDEA what your vet will charge, but ours was $40 per eye. If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to ask.

The decision is completely up to your son and you. You will hear about all three methods on this board as different people have chosen different methods they were confortable with. It is good to hear about all three and then make a decision that you feel is best for you. That is one of the great benefits to this board.

Lonna with Harley and Raven's picture

Wow! That's waaaaay more than we had to pay

to have Harley's done. I know it was around $150.00 and was done by the best Bulldog specialist in Michigan.

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Lonna with Harley and Raven's picture

Wow! That's waaaaay more than we had to pay

to have Harley's done. I know it was around $150.00 and was done by the best Bulldog specialist in Michigan.

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Roxanne2211's picture

Thanks Lori !



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Thanks Lori !



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Roxanne2211's picture

Thanks Jacinda . I havent

seen her yet this morning or talked to my son yet ...but I will lyk if it was successful . If not I will try wink.gif Thanks

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Thanks Jacinda . I havent

seen her yet this morning or talked to my son yet ...but I will lyk if it was successful . If not I will try wink.gif Thanks

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LDeLeo's picture

sometimes when they come out,

thye can go back in she's really young, maybe some dirt got in there or dust, if it's not too big, you can try and message it back in like you said, but if the gland has really popped out it's hard to get it to go back in.  Put the ointment in the eye and try to do the message, if it doesn't go right back in do not irritate it by tring repeatedly, let it go down some and try again later.  This worked for me with Jackson, their muscles that surround that gland are not strong at her age.  Jackson's went right back in. Never to come out again, however, Spik'es was big and it went back in and popped back out.  They say that it's usually bilateral, but his other one never came out.  Now, my shar-pei's (3) and Spike all had surgery to correct it by making a pocket and putting the gland inside and stiching it closed.  some poeple clip the gland off, but my Vet, doesn't recommend this.  They develop dry eye.  Alot of people on this site do snip.

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sometimes when they come out,

thye can go back in she's really young, maybe some dirt got in there or dust, if it's not too big, you can try and message it back in like you said, but if the gland has really popped out it's hard to get it to go back in.  Put the ointment in the eye and try to do the message, if it doesn't go right back in do not irritate it by tring repeatedly, let it go down some and try again later.  This worked for me with Jackson, their muscles that surround that gland are not strong at her age.  Jackson's went right back in. Never to come out again, however, Spik'es was big and it went back in and popped back out.  They say that it's usually bilateral, but his other one never came out.  Now, my shar-pei's (3) and Spike all had surgery to correct it by making a pocket and putting the gland inside and stiching it closed.  some poeple clip the gland off, but my Vet, doesn't recommend this.  They develop dry eye.  Alot of people on this site do snip.

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Oh and listen to this ..

I also called the Veterinary Opthamologist in this area and asked what procedure he does . The vet tech who answered said they do not do the snip as it borders on malpractice ( eeek ! ) . He said he does the tacking procedure and his charge is about 900.00 ! OMG !!!

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Oh and listen to this ..

I also called the Veterinary Opthamologist in this area and asked what procedure he does . The vet tech who answered said they do not do the snip as it borders on malpractice ( eeek ! ) . He said he does the tacking procedure and his charge is about 900.00 ! OMG !!!

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Jacinda and the bullies's picture

Morgan popped two cherry eyes

When she was about 7 months. I was able to massage them back in and she hasn't had a problem since. She is now almost 5 years old. It sounds like you have done everything possible.


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Morgan popped two cherry eyes

When she was about 7 months. I was able to massage them back in and she hasn't had a problem since. She is now almost 5 years old. It sounds like you have done everything possible.


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Vet visit ...

Ok, so we are trying the drops with the steroid to see if it will prevent surgery sad.gif I hope so !!!!!

If not , the procedure my vet does is the snip , but she charges more than 40.00 because she does put them under general anesthesia . She doesnt feel comfortable doing a eye surgery with them awake . One move and its the EYE ! Cant say that I blame her . She is a EXCELLENT Vet who is very familiar with bulldogs . She is very conservative . One of the ings I like ....and dont like at times ...about her ! So we'll see . I am a nervous wreck !! She wants Layla to wear the cone . Poor baby just SITS or STANDS and doesnt move in this thing !!!

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Vet visit ...

Ok, so we are trying the drops with the steroid to see if it will prevent surgery sad.gif I hope so !!!!!

If not , the procedure my vet does is the snip , but she charges more than 40.00 because she does put them under general anesthesia . She doesnt feel comfortable doing a eye surgery with them awake . One move and its the EYE ! Cant say that I blame her . She is a EXCELLENT Vet who is very familiar with bulldogs . She is very conservative . One of the ings I like ....and dont like at times ...about her ! So we'll see . I am a nervous wreck !! She wants Layla to wear the cone . Poor baby just SITS or STANDS and doesnt move in this thing !!!

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Roxanne2211's picture

Its hardly noticeable !!!! nm



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Its hardly noticeable !!!! nm



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Lonna with Harley and Raven's picture

Yep, It is the right one.

It looks way better than it did. Took almost 4-5 months to not be pretty noticeable. We are still hoping that someday you won't be able to tell.
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Lonna with Harley and Raven's picture

Yep, It is the right one.

It looks way better than it did. Took almost 4-5 months to not be pretty noticeable. We are still hoping that someday you won't be able to tell.
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Roxanne2211's picture

I would say

his right eye ??

I will definitely not rush into anything . I am going to try the drops with the steroid in it along with massaging back in first . Being a nurse it makes sense that if there is swelling and irritation then the steroid should help that and maybe keep it in place when it goes down.It went in last night but popped out again this afternoon, but you could tell this morning that her eye was irritated .

Thanks !

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Roxanne2211's picture

I would say

his right eye ??

I will definitely not rush into anything . I am going to try the drops with the steroid in it along with massaging back in first . Being a nurse it makes sense that if there is swelling and irritation then the steroid should help that and maybe keep it in place when it goes down.It went in last night but popped out again this afternoon, but you could tell this morning that her eye was irritated .

Thanks !

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Roxanne2211's picture

Its out again :(

Called my vet and she said she wants to try drops with steroid in them to see if that will make it stay in . My son is bringing her now .

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Its out again :(

Called my vet and she said she wants to try drops with steroid in them to see if that will make it stay in . My son is bringing her now .

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Lonna with Harley and Raven's picture

We have had three different experiences with cherry eye.

Our first bulldog Rocky, developed cherry eye shortly after we got him. We took him to bulldog specialist who sniped it. In and out in less than 30 minutes, cost around $40.00, no recovery other than drops. If you looked at him you could never tell he had anything done to that eye. As he aged we didn't notice any more dry eye issues in that eye than in the other that had never had cherry eye.

The night before we were to go pick up our new puppy Harley, breeder called and said he had developed a cherry eye. We decided to pick him up and take him to our bulldog vet. Same vet as with Rocky, but this time he recommended the pocket procedure. He had to be put under, it bothered him for a few days, but it didn't look very good for a long, long, time. We were disappointed and wished we would have opted for this snip this time also. I will say that now, 6 mths. later you can still tell he had the procedure done, but it is not near as noticeable. I have attached a recent close up of Harley. Can you tell which eye had the surgery?

Then, a month or so after Harley's surgery, the other eye started popping out. Saw it right away, massaged it back in. Stayed for a few days, same thing. Gradually, it popped out less and less to the point now it only happens maybe once every couple months and that is only if he has been playing especially rough. Still able to easily massage back in. So, we think that he will not require anything done with this eye even if that means that every month or so it pops a bit and we just massage it back.

So my answers to your question would be-

Is this something that always requires surgery ? No, not always. If you are able to massage it back in and it stays for extended periods, surgery may never be needed.

Did I do the right thing so far ? Sound like it to me. I also would not rush into any procedure until you see if massaging back works. If it doesn't stay in then definitely will require one of the three options.

Anything else we could try ? Other than lubricating drops and massage, I don't know of anything else.

what are your experiences with cherry eye ? Above

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Lonna with Harley and Raven's picture

We have had three different experiences with cherry eye.

Our first bulldog Rocky, developed cherry eye shortly after we got him. We took him to bulldog specialist who sniped it. In and out in less than 30 minutes, cost around $40.00, no recovery other than drops. If you looked at him you could never tell he had anything done to that eye. As he aged we didn't notice any more dry eye issues in that eye than in the other that had never had cherry eye.

The night before we were to go pick up our new puppy Harley, breeder called and said he had developed a cherry eye. We decided to pick him up and take him to our bulldog vet. Same vet as with Rocky, but this time he recommended the pocket procedure. He had to be put under, it bothered him for a few days, but it didn't look very good for a long, long, time. We were disappointed and wished we would have opted for this snip this time also. I will say that now, 6 mths. later you can still tell he had the procedure done, but it is not near as noticeable. I have attached a recent close up of Harley. Can you tell which eye had the surgery?

Then, a month or so after Harley's surgery, the other eye started popping out. Saw it right away, massaged it back in. Stayed for a few days, same thing. Gradually, it popped out less and less to the point now it only happens maybe once every couple months and that is only if he has been playing especially rough. Still able to easily massage back in. So, we think that he will not require anything done with this eye even if that means that every month or so it pops a bit and we just massage it back.

So my answers to your question would be-

Is this something that always requires surgery ? No, not always. If you are able to massage it back in and it stays for extended periods, surgery may never be needed.

Did I do the right thing so far ? Sound like it to me. I also would not rush into any procedure until you see if massaging back works. If it doesn't stay in then definitely will require one of the three options.

Anything else we could try ? Other than lubricating drops and massage, I don't know of anything else.

what are your experiences with cherry eye ? Above

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