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About 4 weeks ago a few bumps showed up on Lewey. There was no itching and the vet said that it was atopic dermatitis because no mites were found on the skin scraping. We changed foods from Royal Canin Puppy to Hill's Prescription Diet Z/D ultra Allergen Free food and changed detergents. It seemed to get a little better until I left him with a friend who sat for me for 2 days. My friend bathed him in colloidal oatmeal shampoo (it had fragrance added to it) and he broke out everywhere. However, I just don't know if it was the shampoo because it never really cleared up completely to begin with. I took him back to vet who did a skin scraping again and indicated there were no mites that it was probably an allergic reaction. I thought maybe it looked like mange or something. It looks like small round patches of hair loss, it almost looks likes hives but when you lift the hair it looks like small pimples or something. He is itching every once in a while but not severe. He is playing normal and has no facial swelling. I am posting a few pics and wanted to know what you think it looks like, any advice is appreciated.

Fish Oil!

It looks just like the patchy problem areas my bulldog experiences. I open up 1 to 2 liquid fish oil pills and squirt it over his food. I'm telling you it gets better in weeks.

Having gone through 2 rounds...

Having gone through 2 rounds of staph, one currently ending, that is what it looks like to me. Especially since there are the pustuoles or pimples present. B-man started out with one or two, then progressed into over a dozen, then I took him in and had it confirmed. It can also appear like the coat is moth-eaten, or even mimic seasonal flank alopecia, as the hairloss can appear patchy and the skin darken underneath.

He's on Simpliceph, 150mgs once a day for two weeks. It's been 7 days and the turnaround is nearly 100%. He's being bathed in Chlorexederm Shampoo also. It will deep clean the follcles as well.

Best wishes for a speedy recovery.

All the best, Al and Brisket.

Helen R. DeAmicis's picture

Change the food to Taste of the Wild or Timberwolf , give a bath

shampoo that is free of perfumes, rinse extra well and while still in the tub rerinse with either apple cider vinegar or the original brown Listerine mouth wash. Let this dry on him and after dry dust all the spots with Gold Bond Medicated powder.

Rumpshakers's picture

Jack looked exactly like that a few months ago.....

We ended up going through 3 rounds of antibiotics (ending with cephalexin), a course of prednisone, twice weekly bathing in anti-fungal/saddle rot type shampoos over the course of 2 months before it started to look significantly better. I didn't change his food, but I started adding salmon oil again and supplemented with Show Stopper.

I don't think there is a quick fix..you have to be persistent.

My male

did the same thing on Royal Canine I switched to Canidae and have had no problems his coat is beautiful it took a little while but it got back to normal

thunderstruckbulldog's picture

Hill's/Science Diet

Hills/Science Diet is the leading sponsor/contributor of the nutrition programs in veterinary schools-so what do the vets push when they get out of school?? Our Gracie(RIP my beautiful girl) ate z/d for 6-8 mths with no improvement-NONE nada. The vet did not agree with our decision to change her over. We switched her to Wellness Fish and Potato and while it didn't clear her skin entirely, after a couple months we did see improvement.
The pictures of the skin are difficult to really see but it kind of looks like the beginnings of staph and the dog would need an antibiotic and maybe bathing in chlorhexidrine or malesab.
Another food I haven't yet seen mentioned that is very good is Eagle Pack. There are several varieties, our newf eats the fish(anchovy) and loves it. For the price you pay for a better food you will ultimately save at the vets office. These guys are what they eat. Foods high in grain and junk shows up in the skin quick and will show up with other ailments later on in life.
Laura

IMO

there is just as good of food out there for what you are paying for ZD and if the dog has already been on Purinas similar brand and it did nothing then why bother with the ZD..
I cant diagnose yur dog but i am wondering if from the get go the RC did not agree with him.
Maybe avoid a food with corn, grains ect...
I am not sure what your budget is but sounds like the vet bills been racking up so why not try and better kiddle like Innova Evo, Canidae, Flint River, Wellness Fish and Sweet Potatoe, Pinnacle and it his tummy is bothering him possibly try Nutros sensetive stomach formula...
I have used all thse food with success (except Flint River), each dog is different. All the food mentioned are good foods to work with when trying to figure out allergens..

Thanks!!!

Thank you all for the replies. I am taking Lewey to vet tomorrow and asking for antibiotic and I plan to change foods gradually. His poor tummy is already upset for the previous 3 changes but hopefully we get it fixed. Thanks

ickytazz's picture

tell your vet you want cephalexin

for 3 weeks. Then tell him you talked to several bulldog owners who said the food is CRAP. Find a higher quality food and change, it will take a few weeks on the food for the change to be noticed.

Vicky

Vicky,
Bosco, Bella, Breve' & Holly


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ickytazz's picture

looks like staph or winter rott

oral cephalexin is the treatment of choice for 2-3 weeks.

I use horse shampoo for fungus and sattle rott.

If you are thinking allergies, get off the grains. go for protiens vs carbs. Carbs digest to sugar then to fat. Yeast/Staph live off sugar


Hills food has allergens in it. Soy is a huge allergen.

What the heck is some of hte other stuff in this food?

Canned Ultra Allergy Ingredients

Water, Hydrolyzed Chicken Liver, Corn Starch, Powdered Cellulose, Soybean Oil, Dicalcium Phosphate, Calcium Carbonate, Potassium Citrate, DL-Methionine, Choline Chloride, Iodized Salt, Vitamin E Supplement, Taurine, Ascorbic Acid (source of vitamin C), L-Threonine, Zinc Oxide, Ferrous Sulfate, L-Tryptophan, Beta-Carotene, Thiamine Mononitrate, Copper Sulfate, Manganous Oxide, Niacin, Calcium Pantothenate, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Biotin, Calcium Iodate, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Riboflavin, Sodium Selenite, Folic Acid.

Dry ultra allergy Ingredients

Starch, Hydrolyzed Chicken Liver, Soybean Oil (preserved with BHA, propyl gallate and citric acid), Hydrolyzed Chicken, Powdered Cellulose, Dicalcium Phosphate, Calcium Carbonate, Glyceryl Monostearate, Potassium Chloride, Iodized Salt, Choline Chloride, vitamins (Vitamin E Supplement, Niacin, Thiamine Mononitrate, Vitamin A Supplement, L-Ascorbyl-2-Polyphosphate (source of vitamin C), Calcium Pantothenate, Biotin, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Riboflavin, Folic Acid, Vitamin D3 Supplement), DL-Methionine, minerals (Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Copper sulfate, Manganous Oxide, Calcium Iodate, Sodium Selenite), Taurine, Ethoxyquin (a preservative), Beta-Carotene.

Dry low allergy Ingredients

Dried Potato Product, Hydrolyzed Chicken Liver, Potato Starch, Soybean Oil (preserved with BHA, propyl gallate and citric acid), Hydrolyzed Chicken, Powdered Cellulose, Calcium Sulfate, Dicalcium Phosphate, Glyceryl Monostearate, Iodized Salt, Choline Chloride, vitamins (Vitamin E Supplement, L-Ascorbyl-2-Polyphosphate (source of vitamin C), Niacin, Thiamine Mononitrate, Vitamin A Supplement, Calcium Pantothenate, Biotin, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Riboflavin, Folic Acid, Vitamin D3 Supplement), Calcium Carbonate, minerals (Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Copper Sulfate, Manganous Oxide, Calcium Iodate, Sodium Selenite), DL-Methionine, Taurine, Ethoxyquin (a preservative), Beta-Carotene.



Vicky,
Bosco, Bella, Breve' & Holly


PHOTOS ARE PROPERTY OF LANGAGER BULLDOGS, YOU MUST HAVE WRITTEN PERMISSION FOR ANY USE OF THESE PHOTOS FROM LANGAGERBULLDOG.

Carverbulls's picture

We feed Solid Gold Wolf King and NB Duck and Potatoe!

Works great for us so far. I also use NuVet Plus. I don't seem to have near as many skin problems as I did before switching to this!

Jacinda and the bullies's picture

I don't consider Hill's a high quality food

The foods Kathy mentioned above are all good quality foods. Skin issues can take time and alot of persistence to heal. Chlorhexiderm is a good shampoo but I also like Zymox and I think it's a little more gentle.

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Rhiann do you find

water tempature can affect a sensitive skined dog? when I wash my white dogs in dark purple shampoo if the water is anything other than cool, the dog breaks out for a day it seems? just curious?

Kristie Barwick
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Quality Allergy Food

I'm a new bully owner so I'm a little ignorant, is the Hill's Z/D not considered a quality allergy food? I'm asking because I think I will be switching vets soon. They have switched foods 3 times (Royal Canin, Purina Hypoallergenic, and now Hill's z/d) and haven't done anything for helping him, haven't made any suggestions either. The food seems to be upsetting his stomach and the vet refuses to listen. He indicated the Hill's food can't be worsening his skin because it's completely allergy free and it can't be hurting his tummy but he's been on it about two-three weeks and it seems to cause stomach upset and loose bowel movements.His skin has shown no consistent improvement so far. I find it funny that both of you have tried this food unsuccessfully. Thanks so much!

Thank you

I will ask the vet about these, we have an appointment tomorrow. I am reluctant to let him have a cortisone shot and didn't know about exposing him to chemical dips since he is only 4 months. Especially since he really isn't itching too much at this point or showing signs of being ill other than the bumps. Is there another food suggested for bulldogs who have allergies (possibly related to food)? Thanks in advance

Kathy Ollie Chester and Newman's picture

Pyoben shampoo is also good for skin problems...

and get him on a quality allergy food. We use Taste of the Wild salmon potato and have had good luck with that. There are also venison and duck versions. Wellness, Natural balance and several others make allergy foods. I tried Ollie on the z/d when he first had hemmoragic gastroenteritis and it was awful, he started itching which he'd never done before.

Kathy, Ollie and Chester

doesnt look like mange

with Mange the skin scraping would have shown mites...
Looks like a skin allergy or possibly staph...its hard to tell because both can look very similar and one can trigger the other..so technically it could be both as well.
I have tried the ZD in the past..never hasd any luck with it. When using that dog food they can not get ANYTHING ELSE, no treats , no table scrapes ect...its the only way to tell if its truly an allergy.
I gave up after 3 months of using ZD..But occasionally dogs will get better on it and it works..


I personally would get the dog bathed in some medicated shampoo such as Maleseb or Chlorahexederm...ask the vet about these, when using either, lather well , let it sit on them for about 10 -15 minutes then rinse really well..and dry them off good..


actually yes

each of my guys are different but I have found that the warmer the water..Mia tends to sort of break out for the next day..I just figured that the white is more sensetive..now my brindle boy, he likes his water HOT! LOL!

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