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Allergies and skin infections- longish post

Hi all, I'm new to the forum so let me do a quick intro. I've had Bulldogs all my adult life and an currently the proud Mommy of Bronx, a 14 month old male Bully. I lived in South Africa until moving to California almost 3 years ago and Bronx is my first pup I've owned in the States. This is also the first time I'm experiencing such allergy and skin issues in the breed. Apart from an occasional ear infection, my previous Bullies were healthy. Maybe it's a climate thing.. I don't know. 

Anyway, I'm hoping someone can give me some insight to helping me get my Bulldogs skin issues under control. I feel like the more we do, the more issues we have! It's like we are almost constantly at our vet trying to fix something or the other!

We have had Bronx since he was 10 weeks old. We put him on grain free right away. He has always had slightly irritated skin on his front legs and/or muzzle to some extent, coming and going. As a youngster, he had a very sensitive tum, and prone to diarrhea and vomiting. We had 3 really bad times where he had to get vet treatment because it was so bad. He did develop cherry eye at 4 months and had surgery. He started reverse sneezing at around 5 months old. He sometimes had very red eyes and redness between his paws that would come and go. 

I'd treat it using oatmeal shampoo, or neosporin if it looked inflamed. But it's gotten worse as he gets older. He was bitten by another dog about 2 months back and his skin really has been going haywire since. He developed lumps around his face, neck, chest snd legs which formed crusty lesions. The fur literally fell out in small batches on those areas. He had 2 shallow puncture wounds on his neck which we treated with neosporin. Because he was due for his neutering the vet didn't want to treat him for his skin until after that. The vet said it looked like atopic allergies which developed a secondary pyoderma infection. So he was neutered a month ago and his skin has gotten worse. The bumps spread out under his legs and on his back. The fur has become very stiff and hard to the touch. The vet put him on antibiotics for 2 weeks and we got clorohexhadine shampoo and spray for him too. The pyoderma healed up but his skin is still inflamed and pink, mainly around his head, neck, chest and front legs. His paws have become moist and the skin had turned a rust color. We have switched him to a fully raw diet, with veggies too and I supplement with salmon oil and probiotics. He only gets natural venison treats. I've tried apple cider vinegar (bathing and in his water), baking soda, we towel him off after every outside trip, we bath him twice a week with the antiseptic shampoo but we aren't getting anywhere.

Yesterday, I found a hotspot starting in between in face wrinkles and am treating him but I'm desperate for a cure from his skin issues, not just a treatment.  The vet said its most likely allergies to dust, moulds etc. We also live in San Francisco which is foggy and humid most of the time, which I'm sure also doesn't help. The vet is talking about prednisone shots but I really don't want to mess with his immune system. I want to figure out how to help my bully heal more holistically. Do any of you have the same issues and what else could I be doing? 

If really appreciate any advice! It's so painful to watch my poor bully go through this. The vet believes his symptoms are all related to his allergies, including the vomiting he has quite often in the mornings. Thanks all!

For now, I would discontinue all the supplements

and give him just his food. It is much more difficult to find out what is good or bad for him with him getting so many different things. Also, it may not be his food, could be laundry soap, lawn treatments, cleaners, etc., etc., Have you had his thyroid checked? I've taken in rescues with terrible skin problems, turned out to be low thyroid. Has he been tested for mange?

Best of luck

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Supplements

Hi Lynn,

Thanks for your response, I appreciate it. So interesting you mentioned that the supplements should stop because I just found an article written by a Raw Diet proponent who mentioned that if a dog is eating raw appropriately, there is no need to supplement. I am definitely going to stop today and see how it goes. You are 100% correct in that it could be anything he is reacting to. No, we haven't had his thyroid checked. I hadn't even considered that, to be honest. Our vet is great but he is more prone to treating symptoms rather than identifying the exact cause, which on one hand had been great because he doesn't run millions of tests trying to see what sticks, but its also frustrating because I really want to know what's causing our pup's skin issues. He said its most likely not good related but we wanted to switch to raw to give our pup the healthiest diet to support his immune system. Our vet said its most likely dust, dust mites, mould allergies etc. Ill google more about thyroid issues too and speak to our vet about this. How is it treated?

You should be very proud of yourself

for trying to find the cause rather then just treat the symptoms. Drives me nuts that vets are so quick to give medications/steroids/antibiotics instead of taking the time to solve the problem. I agree with you about the prednisone, long term it can cause more problems then it can help.

You can have tests run to pinpoint any allergy problems.  Maybe try OTC meds for allergies, right now I just can't remember which ones work best. Benedryl helps but there are others that seem to work better.  I would also have a skin scrape done, might give some information on the type of infection and/or eliminate the possibility of mange.

Low thyroid is treated with a very inexpensive daily pill. Must be taken for life, the diagnosis is done with a simple blood test.

Best of luck

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Great advice,

Thank you. I'm thinking of taking him to a different vet soon, just to get a new perspective on this. It seems our vet isn't too interested in doing any tests at all. He is a great vet, and I highly respect his opinion, and not just prescribing tons of stuff right away, but our pup is suffering in the meantime and I just don't have it in me to "see how things go and come back if its not getting better".

Thanks, you have given me renewed belief in getting our pup tested 

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Mange

Hi Lynn,

I forgot to reply regarding mange. Our vet said its not mange and also ruled out anything parasitic. Truth is, he didn't do any type of skin scrapings or blood tests to confirm. This was based on a few physical examinations of the lesions. He prescribed antibiotics to clear up the secondary skin infection but whatever is causing his skin to remain irritated is still his untested diagnosis of atopic allergies. He said there is not too much we can do about dust, mould & mite allergies and if it gets worse, he wants to consider prednisone, which I'm trying to avoid if possible. I've read about some pretty hectic side effects which scare me. Our pup is only 14 months old and I don't want to compromise his immune system with strong drugs if I can do something else 

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similar issue

i deff reccomend changing vets. I had to do the same thing with my bully. The vet we originally had just kept putting him on meds to treat the symptoms and never did anything for the underlying problems. we were switched foods 3 or 4 times to rule out any food allergies, and he is now on a veggie diet. Our vet immediately gave us a referral to see a vet dermotologist for a full blown allergy test (which we have not done yet), or reccommended a life-long medication called Atopica. it is used to treat atopic allergies that cannot be treated individually. you may ask your vet about this as an option for your bully. i deff recommend a vet switch and then seeking out a skin specialist who might be able to better rule out possible irritants. That is the road we are on as soon as funding becomes avialable for it

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