can anyone tell me what the treatment for this is? I know surgery. Could diet help. What is the prognosis for a bully with this condition. He is 3 y.o. Thank you so muchPam, Winston, Mallie, Wesley and for now Rockie
perform surgery without asking what kind of stone and the vets office didn't send the stones to a university or lab to determine type? That's unusual, but anyway, struvites and uric are smooth-look like stones or rocks with round edges. Calcium oxalate look similar to jacks you might of played with as a child-and the ends are sharp-jutted. They tear at the lining to the bladder and keep infections brewing. The reason you need to know what kind of stone is because the stone can be a combination-the center of the stone may be a struvite but the outer coating may be calcium. Ph needs to be carefully monitored in these dogs because the stones form in certain ph. Uric stones have been tied to liver shunts or liver disease. Calcium oxalates form due to a lack of or disfunction of a chemical called nephrocalcin. Dogs with Calcium oxalate need to avoid baytril, prednisone, lasix, vitamin c & d as these contribute to the formation. S/D and U/D are both for bladder/urinary issues. S/D is generally used to dissolve struvite stones. U/d is specifically for dogs with urolithiasis. I jumped around there and not real sure if I answered your question. Laura
I've been lurking here ever since we became bulldog owners. This thread caught my attention because our other dog - a Chow - has had surgery for bladder stones twice. He's been on Hill's RX U/D diet for years at the vet's recommendation. He went 4 years from the first surgery before the reoccurance. I have never really been sure which type of stones he was getting - but the vet said is was due to meat in his food. The stones were red and rounded. Can someone enlighten me? What is the difference between S/D and the U/D diets? Great message boards by the way.
This type is most common, and most simple to keep in line. First feed Hill Prescription Diet S/D for six weeks. Then check urine. If all goes well you can then go to Hill Prescription Diet C/D for the rest of the dogs life. There are people who try other, not diet food, and have succes, but I didn't take that chance, because a blokkage means surgery - and boys have smaller urine ways than girls. BTW this is a condition that is common in Dalmatiers (have a look at the site of the club).
Owner needs to watch this dog and make sure he urinates EVERY time he goes out. Stones on a male dog can block the urethra usually at the os penis and the urine backs up and can cause major damage to the kidneys and can be toxic/lethal. Prognosis is usually very good for dogs once the stones are removed. Calcium Oxalate stones form from an overabundance of calcium in the system. Leslie Beans fuzzer diet seems to be the best for preventing reforming, but it requires the dog eating certain human food that requires preparation. Other than the fuzzer diet, there is NO commercially produced diet that prevents reoccurance regardless of what the vets say. Struvite stones are treated with RX food(Hills S/D) and usually the byproduct of an untreated infection. Urate stones can be treated with meds to minimize the uric acid produced. Uric stones are usually indicative in dogs that have liver malfunctions. Dogs with Uric stones are usually on RX food also. Laura
accurate info. The question was regarding the dog mentioned on the other board. Thank you again. hugsPam, Winston, Mallie, Wesley and for now Rockie
I have used a special diet called s/o (can't remember who makes it, walthens?) Anyway... it was for crystals in the urine but there weren't any stones. Supposedly it does break up stones as well, but I'm not sure which type. So yes, diet can be changed to help.Shelley - Mocha N Stella
on what type. Sumo had calcium oxalate stones. They were the nastiest looking things I've ever seen - they looked like jacks with rough sharp edges that were tearing the inside of his bladder. I posted pix of them after they were removed. I joined a kidney/diet group and got advise from the best people, including Leslie Bean, the creator of Fuzzerfood. I home cooked after his surgery and gave distilled water to lessen the reformation. 2 1/2 yrs later they came back and he had a 2nd surgery. Just like with humans, certain stones will reform no matter what you do and no food will 100% effective in keeping them from reforming. And depending on which type, surgery is sometimes the only way to get trid of them. You need to find out what type of stones they are, and go from there. Different stones required different things to lessen the reformationSuehttp://www.flickr.com/photos/bulliemommy/http://www.youtube.com/bulliemommy
Thanks for the good info. I will send you an email.
Did your dog block/obstruct? Is that why emergency surgery? Leslie Beans fuzzer diet is supposed to be able to dissolve CA OX stones. Now the vet will argue and tell you no there is no diet that can dissolve them but Leslie's diet has many success stories. I have a friend who's bulldog has the CA OX stones and did alot of research with her to decide best course of action. Samson just celebrated his one year anniversary of being stone free. But we know the stones have a 50% reoccurrance within 3 yrs. He eats the fuzzer diet exclusively and there is no deviation from the diet. All vets RX the U/D diet for stones but if they are truthfully honest they will tell you it isn't very successful but its the best commercial food they have. Royal Canin has an RX food that is sometimes prescribed also but I've not heard any comments on how successful it actually is. The fuzzer diet has to be prepared. Samson eats better than Stephanie(his owner). I'm not a vet or tech-I just love to read up on things and research things that I find interesting. Stones in dogs and humans arent' all that different except human stones form in the kidneys and canines in the bladder. You can email me privately if you want. If you want to read up on Leslies diet she does have a yahoo group with members and it is full of helpful info on the CA OX stones. Did your dog ever get bit by a rattlesnake?? The diet doesn't seem to work on dogs that have been bit by a rattlesnake for some reason. Must change the chemical makeup in the dog..... Hope you can use some of the info.... Laura
Just confirmed with the vet - - Calcium Oxilate. Hmmm. You are right, really stupid of me not to know which type. We all learn from experience, and I had never dealt with this before his first occurance. That was 7 years ago, and he was in pretty bad shape - needed the surgery quick, and they did send the stones off for analysis. I've always followed my vet's advice, and been really strict with his diet. He's been on UD since. It did return 6 years later. That's when I really became frustrated with the problem and began to do my own research. I knew of 2 types, but now realize it could be more complicated than that. He's 9 now, and I'd like to do what ever I can to prevent it from returning - - and if it does, I'd like to find another way to treat it. Since I don't know you, how do you know all this yourself? Are you a vet? From experience?